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To feel a bit harassed by charity worker

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Hardknocks · 29/10/2024 18:40

Was on my way back from a meeting in London this evening, had to stop at the ticket machine to get my ticket a charity person came over to ask for a donation - I said I couldn’t afford it (I couldn’t), but I usually do give something. However this guy was so pushy, putting leaflets in my face, telling me he lost his brother to knife crime etc etc. He put £25 into his card reader and just kept saying ‘just tap your phone, tap your phone’. I politely asked him to move so that I could get past and through the train barrier but he said not until I tap.. so feeling completely intimidated I did.

I feel stupid, I couldn’t afford £25. I don’t begrudge giving to charity at all and I do where I can. AIBU to feel a bit upset about the whole thing.

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MagnificentTrousers · 30/10/2024 17:26

Cigarettesandbooze · 29/10/2024 22:23

Jesus check out this utter shite. You couldn’t make it up
uplifterz.co.uk/post-3/

Love the way they can't even decide on how to spell the name! Is it Cortiez or Corteiz?

PassingStranger · 30/10/2024 17:07

Yabu for going along with it. A firm no and walk on.

SqueakyDinosaur · 30/10/2024 16:32

fieldsofflowers · 30/10/2024 01:39

a few months ago i had time on my hands so i stopped and chatted with one of these knife crime fundraisers with the blue jackets.
was told that they tried to get kids off the street by engaging them in public speaking and building confidence. asked what sort of public speaking they did. the answer was standing outside the station asking for donations. that appears to be the extent of their community outreach. I had to laugh

The brand of Uplifterz (sic, vom) uses blue, so it may well have been them. I have sent a note round the office to warn people not to engage.

https://uplifterz.co.uk/

OdeToBarney · 30/10/2024 16:26

I've spoken to station staff today. They say they have called the BTP when they were entering the station recently, and are also in touch with the council. They also reported harassment when turning up for work in their civvys, and were sympathetic and as helpful as they can be.

I was encouraged to speak with BTP/the council as appropriate. Will report back when (if) I hear from Islington Council...and in the meantime, will report any witnessed incidents to the BTP.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/10/2024 11:36

A friend and I got cornered by a charity mugger in a restaurant once - she didn't have permission from the restaurant to be there, and was being very intrusive and pushy. We refused to make a donation, and when she left, she stood outside the window, next to where we were sitting, and swore at us.

We reported it to the restaurant and complained to the charity, and got apologies from both - we didn't blame the restaurant, but just wanted them to know what these people were doing on their premises, so they could keep an eye out for them and prevent them coming in again. They were horrified, and gave us a free dessert each.

Noodlesnotstrudels · 30/10/2024 11:24

oneeggisunoeuf · 30/10/2024 11:02

Definitely report them. Awful tactics, and I'd go via your bank too, tell them you were forced into paying.
I'm afraid where chuggers of any sort are concerned, either in the street or at the door, I tell them all to fuck off. "Don't you care about dogs/children/dead babies?" No, couldn't give a fuck. I've perfected a death stare and "Fuck off out of my sight, now" to the extent that the chuggers near my work avoided me. They don't deserve good manners, and don't get them.

Oh yes, i hate this "don't you care about XYZ?". I had one knock on my door when I was 38w pregnant with very high uncontrolled BP, monitoring at the hospital every 2 days, stressed about baby and managing my toddler. She was rude about the fact I was still in my PJs at 11am and then gave me that line when I said no. I was so incensed I wrote to the charity and told them I would never donate any money to them whilst they outsource to people who fundraise using such tactics. It was a major UK charity as well.

southpawsofthenorth · 30/10/2024 11:17

He probably was genuine tbh. All these “charity muggers” are pushy, they’re trained to be. Some are worse than others though.

I once had a gang of three (3), two of whom were men, knock on the door of my flat and try to blag their way in because they needed a surface to write on. I didn’t let them in but I couldn’t quite persuade them to go away either.

I did everything I could think of to put them off as they were filling in the direct debit forms. I even tried pretending not to know my own post code
but they just picked up some mail left for my neighbours and got it from that (!). Talk about not taking a hint.

Oh and I had to pay £10 a month because the £5 option was “for students”. I know they were legit as well because they called the charity to put the payment through and it showed up on my bank account as a payment to the charity when I called up to cancel a few days later.
To this day I’ve no idea why I just didn’t slam the door in their faces. I must of been in a charitable mood (no pun intended).

There was also the one who I met in the street on my lunch break who, when told I had no money on me, kindly offered to accompany me bak to my office but I was able to just walk away from her.

oneeggisunoeuf · 30/10/2024 11:02

Definitely report them. Awful tactics, and I'd go via your bank too, tell them you were forced into paying.
I'm afraid where chuggers of any sort are concerned, either in the street or at the door, I tell them all to fuck off. "Don't you care about dogs/children/dead babies?" No, couldn't give a fuck. I've perfected a death stare and "Fuck off out of my sight, now" to the extent that the chuggers near my work avoided me. They don't deserve good manners, and don't get them.

downwindofyou · 30/10/2024 08:05

Please if you ever come up against this again put you had up in a 'stop' action and say 'move away please. Stop now' and walk away. If they continue say 'I have asked you to leave me alone. you are now harassing me. Step back' in a loud voice.
Do not feel embarrassed. Everyone around you will be on your side.

wibdib · 30/10/2024 02:17

I would try to report it to the station manager (ask for cctv footage), British Transport Police (get a crime number from them), TFL and the bank/card supplier.

He basically mugged you by demanding money with menaces and prevented you from getting through the ticket barrier without paying - and it sounds like he scared you too (unsurprisingly - he sounds really scary and like it was a really traumatic experience).

Use the crime number to report it to your bank and try to get the footage to BTP and TFL - all might help them in building a dossier of the scum that are doing this to innocent people even if they can’t do anything with it to start with or specifically to bring charges in this instance.

i would also ask the Bank and police to see if they can stop the account from accepting more money as it is being used scam people - even if it slows them down for a few days while they sort out a new one. It should also help with getting your ‘enforced donation’ back…

Good luck and hope you recover from that experience very soon.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 30/10/2024 02:00

One of these guys tried it with my husband last week. Thankfully (in this case), getting money out of my husband is like getting blood out of a stone. My husband, showed the guy the holes in his socks and said "I told you I was poor", the guy then left him alone 😂

@Hardknocks please contact the British Transport Police and the Station first thing, so that they can review the CCTV. This really does need reporting. Also contact the MP for the area. This is really unacceptable.

fieldsofflowers · 30/10/2024 01:39

a few months ago i had time on my hands so i stopped and chatted with one of these knife crime fundraisers with the blue jackets.
was told that they tried to get kids off the street by engaging them in public speaking and building confidence. asked what sort of public speaking they did. the answer was standing outside the station asking for donations. that appears to be the extent of their community outreach. I had to laugh

CJFJ1 · 30/10/2024 01:11

viques · 30/10/2024 01:04

Sadly the Evening Standard stopped publishing some weeks ago. Metro is still produced though, so they might pick it up.

Its been replaced by The London Standard, which is published on Thursdays only, and has limited distribution in London, compared to the Evening Standard. It also has more magazine-style features than news content, which is to be expected given it's a weekly, rather than daily, publication.

viques · 30/10/2024 01:04

SweetcornFritter · 29/10/2024 20:19

Contact the Evening Standard, they might be interested in doing an article about it.

Sadly the Evening Standard stopped publishing some weeks ago. Metro is still produced though, so they might pick it up.

PodgePie · 30/10/2024 01:02

£25 is a very healthy donation by most people’s estimation. Nobody should feel harassed into giving anything to charity. This sounds very suspicious & I wonder whether you escaped a nasty scam.

Littlemisscapable · 30/10/2024 00:46

Yep 1000% a scam. Ring your bank.

NiftyKoala · 30/10/2024 00:35

MaterCogitaVera · 29/10/2024 18:44

Can you remember which charity it was for? If so, I’d make a complaint. If not, might be worth reporting it via a non-emergency number. Refusing to allow you to pass until you paid is absolutely illegal. He essentially coerced you into giving the money.

I'd complain too. Maybe look into your bank to cancel the payment.

MojoMoon · 30/10/2024 00:03

There are several of these community interest companies (cics) also claiming to "fight knife crime" or get young people into work. Inside Success was one, the Knife Crime Activists another but they seem to have been displaced now by others. They are not charities.
They frequent central London train stations and employ very young men (and sometimes women) to collect money either through charm and persistence or on occasion more aggressively.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13459943/Exposed-3million-hand-anti-knife-charitys-pushy-High-Street-collectors-REALLY-ends-up.html

FriendlyFriend · 30/10/2024 00:02

£25 donation fucking hell. Report him. I dont pay anything to the big charities as its mostly going towards CEO wages 😟

Penguinmouse · 29/10/2024 23:54

Rubberspider · 29/10/2024 22:16

Interesting - I was at a tube station in West London today and was hassled by a young guy trying to speak to me about knife crime and asking for money. I was so annoyed that when he asked me if I care about knife crime I replied with “I do not now leave me alone”. There were a group of them wearing blue jackets

Yep, same guys. Blue uniform and prolific around stations.

ClairDeLaLune · 29/10/2024 23:47

That’s disgusting. Get onto your credit card company and tell them what happened, they should refund you the money.

Penguinmouse · 29/10/2024 23:47

alienpilotingaboeing · 29/10/2024 18:46

@Hardknocks was it Inside Success Union? Teenagers in high-vis jackets banging on about knife crime? Massive scam - report to TFL, they shouldn't be letting them onto the concourse.

This - as soon as I saw the OP’s message, I thought it would be them. They're a scam operation and can be really aggressive. Sorry you were harassed OP

Overheater · 29/10/2024 23:40

SouthernFashionista · 29/10/2024 21:42

By the look of it, this outfit isn’t actually a charity at all. It bills itself as a community interest company which is not the same thing.

What they offer appears quite nebulous: a lot of vague babble about mentoring and empowerment but no real detail of how individuals can avail of it. There’s also no face to this organisation either.

The whole thing stinks. I’m sorry this happened to you.

throughout lockdown these guys used to only be around Brixton and would harass anyone within sight. It got very intimidating. They’ve now branched out to other areas of London. Not sure how they’re getting away with it when they aren’t a registered charity.

blueshoes · 29/10/2024 23:19

Put on your headphones. Don't make eye contact. Give them a wide berth. Do not engage. I just walk purposefully head down and shake it with a hand out like they are paparazzi to get past them.

I have said really loudly at one "Back Off" when he started to block my way and strode past him. He did not expect it from lil 'ol petite me. There were lots of people around so I guess he would not make a scene.

WillowTree33 · 29/10/2024 23:12

Sorry if repeating here as I haven’t read the whole thread, but placing undue pressure on members of the public to donate and causing an obstruction when fundraising are both breaches of the Code of Fundraising practice - in case it helps to know that when you contact them @Hardknocks! Hope you’re feeling a bit better now.

Tbh if it’s just one guy working for them doing this then you’ll be doing them a favour bringing it to their attention, as it could get them in trouble.