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To think public smoking should be banned

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CreamLampshade · 29/10/2024 15:57

I live in London and am sick of constantly trying to avoid breathing in disgusting cigarette smoke or the weird sickly smell of vapes. There’s only so much you can swerve, speed past people or cross the road. I feel it’s very selfish to smoke in public spaces, especially crowded streets when people can’t avoid breathing it in. Why can’t people take responsibility for their own health - and others - and just give it up? It’s disgusting and really selfish.

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EalingLucy · 03/11/2024 18:47

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 10:15

@CreamLampshade judgy fuck like you should surely want everyone to die as soon as possible.

Do you want all the people you hate to live forever?

I guarantee you don't.

Do you realise that all of your messages don’t make any sense?

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 13:25

Ignorant

Selfish

Poor

marriagehelpplease · 03/11/2024 13:22

Sorry but you're being ridiculous. I say this as a non smoker...

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 03/11/2024 13:21

I don’t think it should be banned in public places. If so, people who lived in flats would have to smoke indoors, and if they had children that would be awful. Better that they’re still able to go outside for a fag.

But I agree it should be regulated where people can smoke, and not allowed in any kind of queue or place where people might be sitting to eat.

CallYourselfAChef · 03/11/2024 13:20

Who do you think would be able to enforce it? I don't smoke, I hate the smell of cigarettes, weed and vapes - but I avoid at all as much as possible.

Whatbloodysummer · 03/11/2024 13:18

Ah,

Just did a search of past posts by the OP, and this explains the OP's 'issues' about smoking. (funny how the OP is 'struggling' with hoarding/OCD etc though, surely ALL 'addictions' can be easily overcome by pure 'will', so I have to wonder why isn't that working for the OP??

Whatbloodysummer · 03/11/2024 13:00

OP, are you saying that smokers/vapers should always stay at home to do it, and never be allowed out in public?

And that they are in 'your space' when they are outside/in public?

So you'd be happy to limit their 'freedom' to suit you and your likes/dislikes?

Presumably, from your comments, and, in your mind at least, they are somehow 'less' than you, and are therefore 'ignorant', 'selfish' 'poor' people, and so don't matter somehow?

So what makes you 'better' than them exactly?

You take the bus/tube/train in London, a city that has atrocious pollution levels everywhere, yet you choose to live there regardless of the damage done to your lungs from the ceaseless pollution? In fact you actively add to it simply by living there and using any transport at all ! (except Shanks pony)

Yet you somehow see yourself as 'virtuous' for not being a smoker/vaper 😂
Judgmental much ??🙄Do you drink? Do you travel? Do you work? Do you have gas heating? Do you own leather shoes?

Everything we do affects 'pollution', but you see yourself as 'blameless' and smokers/vapers as the enemy somehow?

Get off your bloody high horse and let others decide what they want to do and where they want to do it ffs ! It's bugger all to do with you what others decide to do with their money/time/bodies.

If you don't want to be exposed to 'pollution/smoke/vapes' then go live in the country/stay at home and never go out, cos no-one is forcing you to breathe anything in, it's you who is choosing to live amongst other humans who do things that you don't 'agree' with?

But no-one is asking you to agree with it, so if you don't like it, then YOU are free to leave, aren't you??😱

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 12:47

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 12:21

No-one wants lung cancer.

We're all going to die though.

Yes this is why I don't engage in activities that would drastically increase my chance of lung cancer and thus hasten my death. I like breathing 😀

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 12:21

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 12:04

I don't want lung cancer. I don't feel the need/urge to.

No-one wants lung cancer.

We're all going to die though.

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 12:04

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 12:03

I guess it was cool in the 80s.

It's very calming.

I'd like to ask non-smokers, how and why you didn't start??

I don't want lung cancer. I don't feel the need/urge to.

BIossomtoes · 03/11/2024 12:04

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 11:50

I'd like to ask smokers how and why you started?

I’m not a smoker any more but I started because all the cool kids did. I still miss it like an old friend 12 years on.

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 12:03

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 11:50

I'd like to ask smokers how and why you started?

I guess it was cool in the 80s.

It's very calming.

I'd like to ask non-smokers, how and why you didn't start??

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 11:50

I'd like to ask smokers how and why you started?

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 11:42

toastandtwo · 03/11/2024 11:19

I think if you are UMC then you really cannot speak for the majority of smokers - who are of low SES status - and whether they give a fuck or not.

Class wars darling.

Middle class botherers. So strivy. So bossy.

Always caring.

toastandtwo · 03/11/2024 11:19

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 11:03

You misunderstand me.

Smoking is now the preserve of the classes who don't give a fuck.

I think if you are UMC then you really cannot speak for the majority of smokers - who are of low SES status - and whether they give a fuck or not.

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 11:03

toastandtwo · 03/11/2024 10:55

Not sure why your houses or class are relevant? Smoking is predominantly concentrated amongst lower income people nowadays. It is another means of health inequality between high and low income people. But obviously nobody thinks that means no UMC smoke Confused

My Mum was born into landed gentry. She smoked for many years, though thankfully stopped when she and my Dad started TTC. It didn’t really matter what her social class was when she had a miserable, painful death from smoking related cancer.

You misunderstand me.

Smoking is now the preserve of the classes who don't give a fuck.

toastandtwo · 03/11/2024 10:55

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 05:45

I don't even know what to say about this.

My family are very UMC.

We live in Jacobean Manor Houses, Georgian townhouses & a Lutyens houses.

We 98% like smoking.

Eh? What you gonna do?

If I 110% agreed with someone.

I'd have a look at my maths.

@CreamLampshade

My family are crying into their dirty privilege.

(86% ish).

No misery.

Not sure why your houses or class are relevant? Smoking is predominantly concentrated amongst lower income people nowadays. It is another means of health inequality between high and low income people. But obviously nobody thinks that means no UMC smoke Confused

My Mum was born into landed gentry. She smoked for many years, though thankfully stopped when she and my Dad started TTC. It didn’t really matter what her social class was when she had a miserable, painful death from smoking related cancer.

vodkaredbullgirl · 03/11/2024 10:25

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 08:12

UMC?

Upper middle class

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 10:15

@CreamLampshade judgy fuck like you should surely want everyone to die as soon as possible.

Do you want all the people you hate to live forever?

I guarantee you don't.

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 10:12

I used to be an actuary. I did group health care.

We loved smokers.

They will largely die before that take much of their pension.

If there were quite a few long-term smokers in our group-plan, we'd give them a lower quote.

Because they're going to die sooner.

We pay huge amounts of tax. Extra tax.

And we won't be around to piss you off for long. Whilst financing the NHS.

You will be sorry when we're gone...

Gloriana1 · 03/11/2024 10:04

Nhggb · 03/11/2024 08:12

UMC?

If you know.

You know.

Yesitisnotthatitbe · 03/11/2024 09:46

BadPeopleFan · 03/11/2024 06:22

I used to smoke, now I vape. I drink, I am overweight, I drive a car, I take long showers, I wash clothing after one wear, I use strong perfume, I love plug in air fresheners, I use strong smelling fabric conditioner, I have two dogs etc etc.
My point is whatever I do will be pissing someone off somewhere (especially on mn) so I may as well carry on, I am sure OP will do things that infuriate other people but most of us don't stop and think about every tiny decision we make and how it will affect the wider population.
I don't like walking past smokers myself, it smells horrible but it's a couple of seconds inconvenience for me, I seriously doubt you can breathe in enough smoke from a cigarette outside to damage your health, if I was in London I would be much more concerned about traffic pollution.
I think an awful lot of threads on here are started by people with a complete fixation on a 'problem' and they wind themselves up about it until it's all they can see around them, I don't notice anything like the levels of hate for things done in everyday life in real life.....they just seem to get blown vastly out of proportion on here.

Absolutely correct. Some people need to work on their resilience. How they used to get on when people smoked on buses, in the cinema etc. I don't know

Yesitisnotthatitbe · 03/11/2024 09:33

averitablevampire · 29/10/2024 22:17

Dunno, I'm not a smoker or Vaper and I wish it wasn't allowed outside cafes, but on the other hand, smokers are already pretty limited in where they can smoke, and I kind of feel the poor buggers are already vilified, and shit if they can't smoke outside where can they smoke....but then again I don't like walking through the smoke, I mean the best thing would be the invention of smell free cigarettes and vapes!

I absolutely guarantee that if they were smell free that wouldn't be enough for the health police. They need to control what others put in their bodies

toastandtwo · 03/11/2024 09:27

Yesitisnotthatitbe · 03/11/2024 09:10

You do know smokers pay in to the NHS far more than they cost right? You should be grateful

NHS maybe but not the wider public finances. Smoking costs the UK about twice as much as it the tax brings in. I’m not even sure these figures take into account the poorer health of smokers’ children which would be an additional cost to the NHS and education systems.

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/03/07/ending-smoking-could-free-up-gp-appointments/#:~:text=The%20cost%20of%20inaction,20.6bn%20in%20the%20UK.

Ending smoking could free up 75,000 GP appointments each month

By ending smoking, the UK Government could free up to 75,000 GP appointments each month in England. 

https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2023/03/07/ending-smoking-could-free-up-gp-appointments#:~:text=The%20cost%20of%20inaction,20.6bn%20in%20the%20UK.

Yesitisnotthatitbe · 03/11/2024 09:10

JubileeJuice · 29/10/2024 17:39

I agree with you, OP. If they want to smoke their filth, they can do it in their own homes and stink themselves up.

I'm a wheelchair user, so am usually at the same level as the hand holding their gross habit, so it blows directly into my face.

It really pisses me off how much money it costs the NHS too. There's an entire department in my local hospital dedicated to smoking-related illness and giving up smoking. Not to mention the other departments they end up in, when it inevitably gives them cancer. That money should be spent on people who get ill through no fault of their own. Either that, or smokers should have to pay for smoke related treatment (I feel the same about drug and alcohol users too).

You do know smokers pay in to the NHS far more than they cost right? You should be grateful