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To think the term 'childfree' is as bad as 'childless'

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JemimaWithTheStripeyTights · 29/10/2024 15:01

I totally understand why somebody would prefer not to describe themselves as 'childless'. The -less has connotations of something missing, of being somehow inferior or lacking when compared with people with children. It makes 'having children' the default, and 'not having children' abnormal. I get it.

But something about 'childfree' really grates with me. The -free seems to imply liberation from the idea of children, as if that's some obligation or burden, or as if they're something to be escaped from at all costs. Basically, I think it sounds as much like a smug value judgement as 'childless' is a thoughtless one.

Not sure what the alternative would be, but how about 'nonparent'? It needs to be a word that's totally neutral about whether having kids is a good or bad thing.

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CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:08

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 10:06

I'd give up with actual sense. Look at the responses.

It's at the stage of "pa ha ha, child-infested"

Nice to read your thoughts, enjoy your day. I'm off, and recommend you are too :)

Yes, thank you.

BunnyLake · 30/10/2024 10:08

Non parent sounds silly.

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:07

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 10:06

It’s not offensive, get a grip.

“Childless”, “nonparent” - whatever else, isn’t offensive then either. Get a grip.

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 10:06

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:03

From what I’ve seen, birds start building nests long before laying eggs in them, young monkeys practise being parents, the drive to reproduce is central to their lives. Penguins face the Antarctic winter just to raise young. We all sexually mature and have reproductive organs for a reason - for them to be used to reproduce. We also have other instincts, nesting instincts, etc. It is absolutely the default to reproduce.

I'd give up with actual sense. Look at the responses.

It's at the stage of "pa ha ha, child-infested"

Nice to read your thoughts, enjoy your day. I'm off, and recommend you are too :)

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 10:06

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:05

No, a lot of people care about the offensive term “child free” being used by people who don’t have kids.

It’s not offensive, get a grip.

MushMonster · 30/10/2024 10:05

Oh my! I never get why these sort of threat get any replies, let alone why there is a fight about it!
It is as simple as each to their own, entirely your decision, you decide how you want to live your life.
The only problem arises when you did not want children, but you have them or you do want them, but have none. That is a sad and sensitive situation indeed.

But, the fact of it is that humans do need children to continue existing, so the majority of the population will want children and invest a large amount of time and resources bringing them up the best way they can, as it should be. They will spend hours and hours with their children each day and think about them when they are out or at work. They will seek counsel or a chit chat with other parents, for tips or just a little moan. Their life will be centered around those little ones, forever really, but mostly very time and head consuming till the child is around 11-12, easing a bit more by the time they are 16-18 or so. So, it will not be a rare statistical fact that children will come up in conversation or that parents want to include their children in activities or they have to leave early to care for them.

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:05

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 10:04

And yet quite a number of people on this thread do care weird amount about what other people choose to do with their lives.

No, a lot of people care about the offensive term “child free” being used by people who don’t have kids.

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 10:04

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 10:01

Except this "idea" was put on this thread by a childfree person, pretending a parent has said it.

For exactly this reason, so other could say, oh how awful it is.

So let's "bin off" pretending people have said things, falsely, eh?

No one cares if you want kids or not. No one cares if I want kids or not. We've all got too much else going on.

And yet quite a number of people on this thread do care weird amount about what other people choose to do with their lives.

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 10:03

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 30/10/2024 09:55

The voice of reason in this entire thread!
I now have a vision of a cow trying to put a condom on a bull...
😂😂

From what I’ve seen, birds start building nests long before laying eggs in them, young monkeys practise being parents, the drive to reproduce is central to their lives. Penguins face the Antarctic winter just to raise young. We all sexually mature and have reproductive organs for a reason - for them to be used to reproduce. We also have other instincts, nesting instincts, etc. It is absolutely the default to reproduce.

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 10:01

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 09:55

Also can we just bin this idea off that not having children is selfish when literally everyone has children because “I want”.
I want is the definition of selfish.
Absolutely no one has children out of some altruistic greater good reasoning.

Except this "idea" was put on this thread by a childfree person, pretending a parent has said it.

For exactly this reason, so other could say, oh how awful it is.

So let's "bin off" pretending people have said things, falsely, eh?

No one cares if you want kids or not. No one cares if I want kids or not. We've all got too much else going on.

Bebud · 30/10/2024 09:59

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 09:55

Also can we just bin this idea off that not having children is selfish when literally everyone has children because “I want”.
I want is the definition of selfish.
Absolutely no one has children out of some altruistic greater good reasoning.

I don’t think people who have children or don’t have children are selfish. I think these people are selfish: parents who walk away from their child financially, emotionally and physically, parents who neglect, abuse or murder their child or step child and parents who regret having a child but have more because I’ve known and heard from adults who were unwanted children and their experiences have been awful.

Spectre8 · 30/10/2024 09:57

Imo in also think if you are getting offended about the word childfree that's your problem. If you think or feel that the person using the word is somehow implying xyz well that's on you. Why you get so triggered by it is down to your own personal insecurity or doubt

DarkBlueStocking · 30/10/2024 09:56

sparklyfox · 29/10/2024 18:38

I agree. I think "child free" is actually a really hateful term - it immediately posits children as something negative. I would just say "doesn't have children".

Sigh. People are allowed to think of the children they don’t have because they didn’t want to have them as a negative. They’re not dissing your children, they’re not throwing wheelchair users into the path of traffic, they’re not trying to establish whites-only drinking fountains.

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 09:55

Also can we just bin this idea off that not having children is selfish when literally everyone has children because “I want”.
I want is the definition of selfish.
Absolutely no one has children out of some altruistic greater good reasoning.

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 30/10/2024 09:55

RadioBamboo · 30/10/2024 09:51

It's the default in most species because they don't have condoms and opposable thumbs.

The voice of reason in this entire thread!
I now have a vision of a cow trying to put a condom on a bull...
😂😂

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 09:54

People who call themselves “child free”, if they don’t have children, are making themselves sound flawed, selfish and like they are not pulling their weight.

Unhinged.

KimberleyClark · 30/10/2024 09:54

Spectre8 · 30/10/2024 09:52

Imo in real conversations people say i don't have kids. It's online where i see the term childfree is used more because it's a shorter way of saying the same thing. I use it that way too, much quicker.

Edited

This. It’s shorthand for “I have no wish to be a parent”. Not shorthand for “I hate children and don’t wish to have anything to do with children”.

Wtfdude · 30/10/2024 09:54

I am not even frustrated on this thread😂
Comparing calling yourself childfree to immigrant free or diabled free is hilarious stupid actually.

Completelyjo · 30/10/2024 09:53

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 09:44

Being a parent is pretty much the default in most species otherwise they’d die out.

Who gives a fuck if a cat has no choice but to get pregnant?
We’re talking about humans. If someone chooses not to be a parent and implies it’s hard work, or an obligation or whatever who gives a fuck?
I can’t imagine being so triggered about someone else’s life that you obsess over them using “neutral terms”.

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 09:53

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 09:48

Are people actually suggesting that if you choose not to have children, you should describe that choice in a way that makes it clear you are selfish and not pulling your weight and are flawed in some way?

I am saying the opposite. People who call themselves “child free”, if they don’t have children, are making themselves sound flawed, selfish and like they are not pulling their weight. If they called themselves something else, it wouldn’t have those connotations.

Exactly this.

You're saying the opposite.

And look what gets posted. Literally a spot on example of what I described.

Again, you can see the level this is heading too. It's very deliberate, and MN should look at it.

DarkBlueStocking · 30/10/2024 09:52

RadioBamboo · 30/10/2024 09:51

It's the default in most species because they don't have condoms and opposable thumbs.

Indeed!😀

Spectre8 · 30/10/2024 09:52

Imo in real conversations people say i don't have kids. It's online where i see the term childfree is used more because it's a shorter way of saying the same thing. I use it that way too, much quicker.

RadioBamboo · 30/10/2024 09:51

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 09:44

Being a parent is pretty much the default in most species otherwise they’d die out.

It's the default in most species because they don't have condoms and opposable thumbs.

LePetitMaman · 30/10/2024 09:49

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 30/10/2024 09:45

Are people actually suggesting that if you choose not to have children, you should describe that choice in a way that makes it clear you are selfish and not pulling your weight and are flawed in some way?

You can choose not to have kids, but you have to be a bit apologetic and ashamed of it and acknowledge that people who do have children, even if they treat those children like shit or are resentful, abusive or just plain useless parents raising problem children because they lack the skills or resources to do a good job, are better than you because they are adding to an overpopulated planet while you are just living your life without replacing yourself, you selfish bastard, and you need to describe yourself in terms that show you know you are less than parents?

Seriously?

I'm going to start describing my life as child-infested from now on because fuck that attitude.

Nope. That's not being suggested at all.

What a ridiculous thing to have posted.

What in this thread has led you to post this??

CherryBlossomArt · 30/10/2024 09:48

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 30/10/2024 09:45

Are people actually suggesting that if you choose not to have children, you should describe that choice in a way that makes it clear you are selfish and not pulling your weight and are flawed in some way?

You can choose not to have kids, but you have to be a bit apologetic and ashamed of it and acknowledge that people who do have children, even if they treat those children like shit or are resentful, abusive or just plain useless parents raising problem children because they lack the skills or resources to do a good job, are better than you because they are adding to an overpopulated planet while you are just living your life without replacing yourself, you selfish bastard, and you need to describe yourself in terms that show you know you are less than parents?

Seriously?

I'm going to start describing my life as child-infested from now on because fuck that attitude.

Are people actually suggesting that if you choose not to have children, you should describe that choice in a way that makes it clear you are selfish and not pulling your weight and are flawed in some way?

I am saying the opposite. People who call themselves “child free”, if they don’t have children, are making themselves sound flawed, selfish and like they are not pulling their weight. If they called themselves something else, it wouldn’t have those connotations.

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