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Expected to start teams meetings?

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surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 14:40

I’ve started a new job and my diary for now is very empty with few meetings and there’s quite a lot of training material that I have to go through.

My manager is always in back to back meetings and he’s put two 30 minute catchups in with me for the first month. From experience meetings tend to overrun so I’ve waited for him to be ready for our call and then I’ll hop on as I’m just reading - or he might need a loo break or get a drink.

Today it got to 5 past our meeting and he messaged me to say “are you joining”. So I started the call and he said that I am expected to always start the meetings.

Obviously once I’m more busy I won’t even give it a second thought as to who starts a meeting, but this seems such a weird rule to me.

OP posts:
surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:57

I can’t find the post now, but I agree there’s too many outdated opinions on this thread. Even using the word “boss” seems so beyond outdated to me. Seems the type of word someone in middle management would use to describe themselves and declare they “pay your wages” - as if it directly comes out of their HSBC current account.

I’ve been lucky that I’ve had good managers previously that don’t make up pointless rules to insert authority. Ive only ever had one manager who lorded his authority and he lost his position and was demoted within six months.

Times have drastically moved on since Covid.

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twomanyfrogsinabox · 29/10/2024 15:56

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

You are beneath your manager in the business pecking order and within reason they call the shots. Complain to HR if you think he's not treating you respectfully.

category12 · 29/10/2024 15:55

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

But he has the power, so just do as he asks.

His time is currently more valuable than yours. It makes sense for you to start it so he knows you're ready, rather than him start it and be waiting for you to join.

I think it's pretty normal to start the meeting at the right time anyway and odd to wait for him to do it.

BeMintBee · 29/10/2024 15:55

Aah Gen Z. God love ‘em.

Wanttobefree2 · 29/10/2024 15:54

Just start the meeting, it’s really no big deal and if you’re getting upset about this then I can’t see you lasting long in this job…

Ewock · 29/10/2024 15:54

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

Why have you put it on here? Anything people say you are responding to negatively and aggressively at points. If he's late he is late, however as your manager he will be looking at your time keeping for meetings. You may feel it isn't fair but part of your job will be to be on time (I'm assuming that as most roles do have that included).
If it's an issue discuss it with him, if not then you know where you stand and move forward with that knowledge.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 29/10/2024 15:53

You seem to have quite an attitude, OP. You've already said that your manager is really busy with back to back meetings. It seems odd that you wouldn't just start the meeting on time like any normal person would, and just wait for him to join when ready. What point are you trying to make exactly by waiting it out?

PuddlesPityParty · 29/10/2024 15:53

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

It’s because when u join it sends a notification through like others have explained. Seriously get over yourself. Who on earth just sits there ignoring the fact they have a call 🤦‍♀️ your attention is arrogant and aggressive, bet you didn’t chat back to your boss like you’re doing here.

Duckyfondant · 29/10/2024 15:51

He's telling you not to be late as he doesn't plan to stop what he's doing to wait around for you, as his time is objectively more valuable.

How you're giving attitude when you weren't smart enough to log onto a teams call when it was due to start, is impressive in a way.

SocksShmocks · 29/10/2024 15:50

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

If you didn’t want stranger’s opinions then why did you start this thread?

Good luck with the new job OP. It doesn’t sound like you’ve made the best first impression but I hope you can turn it around.

Bruceycake · 29/10/2024 15:50

This is really strange, why would you not just join at the time the meeting starts?! I tend to do that and just mute myself and continue on with whatever work I need to do until whoever else joins.

Presumably your boss is annoyed because you didn’t have any real valid reason for having not joined on time meaning the meeting then started even later, which for someone who has back to back meetings would be frustrating.

TheSilkWorm · 29/10/2024 15:50

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:43

Yes just to make it clear, he hadn’t started the meeting and was waiting for me. He was just there staring at his screen waiting for me to start the meeting.

And yes I’ve never come across a rule of the more junior person should be the one to start the meetings. Someone earlier gave the example of a physical meeting - does this apply to that too? That a senior person will not enter a room first?

I have no issue with him saying I don’t need to wait for him (I was doing so because our meetings are just informal and obviously just internal people involved). But I do genuinely find it bizarre that someone would refuse to start a meeting based solely on the fact that they are more senior and deem it beneath them.

How do you know he was just staring at his screen? Presumably you were nowhere near him at the time?

Agix · 29/10/2024 15:49

Gosh, I feel for your manager. You're training right now with an empty-ish diary - he's knee deep in established work. Its understandable for you to be the one who starts the meeting - he's probably not there twiddling his thumbs, he's eeking out an e-mail until you show you're ready or getting bits done. Its easier for you to just pause your training and start the meeting, signaling to him that you're ready now.

My managers lovely and he is frequently late for meetings/waits for us to start it whilst he is scurrying around finishing bits, because he is a busy man who takes great care of his team. Hope you're not one of our new starters... if you are, give him a break! If you're not... maybe still give this guy a break? Just take some initiative and start the meeting.

Miyagi99 · 29/10/2024 15:49

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 14:50

I’m not sat there twiddling my thumbs. I’m doing the training materials - which is a lot. More than any other company I’ve worked for.

And sometimes you can’t help turning up late to a teams meeting. You’re seriously telling me you’ve never once been in a meeting that’s overrun by 2 or 3 minutes?

You’ve used a lot of exclamation marks … you seemed very horrified by this … that’s quite worrying. Also you can’t be that busy at your job scrolling on Mumsnet at 3pm.

Not necessarily, I’ve usually done a full day (8 hours or so) by before 3pm.

CurbsideProphet · 29/10/2024 15:48

If I have a call booked with my manager I click the link at the allotted time and do a few bits and bobs in the meantime if they don't appear on my screen immediately.

It's always easier to just say to your manager "of course, I will be sure to do that in future" even if you don't agree with them. It's only work 💁🏻‍♀️

ilovesooty · 29/10/2024 15:48

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I don't think for a minute that the majority of posters are over 60. Whatever their age they seem to have a better idea of how to behave at work than the OP though.

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:48

SocksShmocks · 29/10/2024 15:46

He’s not pulling a power move? He’s just told you he expects you to start the meeting. And he’s your manager and that’s a reasonable instruction so just do things how he wants them.

I was sympathetic with your point that either of you could start the meeting but the more you post on this thread the worse you are coming across.

I really don’t care how you personally think I’m coming across and neither did I need your sympathy. You’re a stranger to me.

It is pulling a power move. It’s not a legitimate reason to not start a meeting because you think a junior person is beneath you.

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Harvestfestivalknickers · 29/10/2024 15:48

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:44

No one is turning anything into a drama.

I said “no problem” and the conversation moved on.

I'm glad you see joining/starting a meeting on time as 'no problem'. It would be sensible to do it in future.

TheSilkWorm · 29/10/2024 15:48

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:22

Thankfully I’ve never had a manager before that pulls power moves and see anyone below them as the little people.

You think because someone is (gasp) a manager that it entitles them to sit staring at a screen and refusing a start a meeting because they deem themselves as too senior?

No! That's not what's happening. Senior staff with very full diaries need to juggle their time. If he was in a meeting that was running on, and you started your meeting, he could then choose to either end the meeting he was in to join you, or message you in the chat to say running 5 minutes late or whatever. But you sitting there like a spare part waiting for him means he's more likely to overrun in his other meeting because he assumes you're not ready. Like it or not senior managers often have a lot of demands on their time and it's up to those junior to them to manage their own time efficiently and not add to time pressures of those with greater levels of responsibility. It's not a power play, it's a time efficiency issue.

MrsMurphyIWish · 29/10/2024 15:47

I’m a teacher - so maybe different - but we have 3 whole school briefings set at 8.30 which we are required to join as it’s our directed time. First teacher just starts the meeting (out of about 50 of us!). We just then wait for the Head to join. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t if they’re busy. We just get in with our own stuff whilst waiting - sometimes they don’t join at all if something has over run. We just log out and get in with our day.Am assuming if you have scheduled meeting times just do the same?

Miyagi99 · 29/10/2024 15:47

I usually join the Teams meeting at the time given, you can see if they are not on yet and just continue with work until they are (with Teams open).

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:46

DinosaurMunch · 29/10/2024 15:45

But you've been late to every single meeting because you think you're too good to start the meeting yourself and wait a couple of minutes?

Surely you can see why this isn't going down well

Where did I say I’ve been late to every single meeting?

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SocksShmocks · 29/10/2024 15:46

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:22

Thankfully I’ve never had a manager before that pulls power moves and see anyone below them as the little people.

You think because someone is (gasp) a manager that it entitles them to sit staring at a screen and refusing a start a meeting because they deem themselves as too senior?

He’s not pulling a power move? He’s just told you he expects you to start the meeting. And he’s your manager and that’s a reasonable instruction so just do things how he wants them.

I was sympathetic with your point that either of you could start the meeting but the more you post on this thread the worse you are coming across.

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:46

PensivePencil · 29/10/2024 15:43

I wonder if you’re my new starter? I’m often a couple of mins late to meetings with my new starter - as other calls overrun and tbh, I'm prioritising a client escalation call over them. I don’t like to do that but it is what it is. I would expect them to be ready and waiting on the call when I finish up, and I’ll always generally msg fo say I’m overrunning. If they have another call and are also overrunning I’d expect them to message me.

the shoe is also often on the other foot for me, and I’m waiting for my line manager to join a call with me. Again, always make sure I’m ready there even if I’m waiting for him.

Why in the world are you wondering if I’m your new starter? 🙈.

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DinosaurMunch · 29/10/2024 15:45

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:38

Well that’s a shit attitude. I’m going to be late purely because I’m more senior than the person I’m talking to? No other reason than that.

Well thankfully I’m not as immature to literally start name calling other adults 🙈😂. No one called me out on anything. You literally were not involved in the conversation.

But you've been late to every single meeting because you think you're too good to start the meeting yourself and wait a couple of minutes?

Surely you can see why this isn't going down well