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Expected to start teams meetings?

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surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 14:40

I’ve started a new job and my diary for now is very empty with few meetings and there’s quite a lot of training material that I have to go through.

My manager is always in back to back meetings and he’s put two 30 minute catchups in with me for the first month. From experience meetings tend to overrun so I’ve waited for him to be ready for our call and then I’ll hop on as I’m just reading - or he might need a loo break or get a drink.

Today it got to 5 past our meeting and he messaged me to say “are you joining”. So I started the call and he said that I am expected to always start the meetings.

Obviously once I’m more busy I won’t even give it a second thought as to who starts a meeting, but this seems such a weird rule to me.

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OneMoreCornettoPls · 29/10/2024 16:12

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Butchyrestingface · 29/10/2024 16:12

I am getting the sense that OP is not the

Yes, Sir
No, Sir
Three bags full, Sir

type even during a probationary period.

Goingncforthisone · 29/10/2024 16:11

You're arguing with nearly everyone on here OP. Think you need to consider that maybe you're wrong on this?

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betterangels · 29/10/2024 16:10

sandyhappypeople · 29/10/2024 16:09

You said earlier that he was sat there staring at his screen. waiting for you to start the meeting.

I would assume that he was doing something else while waiting for you to start the meeting without realising you didn't know to do that. It should have been made clearer to you that it's you who needs to start the meeting and he will join as soon as he is able, but he's explained now so why is there still a problem?

Why are you so triggered by it?

Yeah, but we're all missing the point, you know.

sandyhappypeople · 29/10/2024 16:09

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 16:03

Think you’ve missed the entire point. I’ve always assumed he’s busier than I am.

You said earlier that he was sat there staring at his screen. waiting for you to start the meeting.

I would assume that he was doing something else while waiting for you to start the meeting without realising you didn't know to do that. It should have been made clearer to you that it's you who needs to start the meeting and he will join as soon as he is able, but he's explained now so why is there still a problem?

Why are you so triggered by it?

Lovesacake · 29/10/2024 16:08

Op you are being very narky with people who are largely making reasonable points

NetZeroZealot · 29/10/2024 16:08

TianasBayou · 29/10/2024 14:46

Join the meeting at the allotted time and mute/camera off until someone else joins.
If running late send apology in the meeting chat. Pretty standard teams etiquette surely?

This

Superscientist · 29/10/2024 16:07

Covid was brilliant in my workplace. Prior to us all working remotely the done thing would be to wait for the meeting time and then go and make a coffee then saunter into the meeting room 5 minutes late and it was so annoying for those that saw the meeting time as the start of the meeting

Now it's unacceptable for meetings to start later the 2 minutes late, 3 minutes usually triggers a calendar check for something potentially more important overrunning and a message to see you are joining. This is now the same now we are back in the office part time. If you are chairing the meeting generally you will start the meeting 2-3 minutes early if your diary permits. I usually open up the meeting a few minutes early to see who's joined the call already. So that pleasantries can be made and the meeting starts on time.

If I'm meeting with someone whose time and help I need I always sign in a minute or two early but if someone is needing my help I only sign in early if they are there.

Gwenhwyfar · 29/10/2024 16:07

Heidi00 · 29/10/2024 15:24

Hes more senior than you, if he wants to join late he can. You sound absolutely daft and arrogant and no wonder he called you out on it.

Of course he can join late because he's busy, but because he thinks he should be the last to join on principle? That's not how real leaders work.

CreamLampshade · 29/10/2024 16:07

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 14:53

Is he not rude as well for doing the exact same thing?

He was probably actually busy and waiting for the little beep to tell him he needed to go to the next meeting? Unlike you who was genuinely sitting around like a weirdo

Butchyrestingface · 29/10/2024 16:07

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 16:06

Mu diary is only fairly empty as they put you through so much training. Most is sadly irrelevant to my job, but I (and any other new starters) have to do it.

That really wasn't the main thrust of my post.

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 16:07

betterangels · 29/10/2024 16:05

This.

You start it at the allotted time.

Again missing the point.

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nervousnellylikesjaffacakes · 29/10/2024 16:06
  1. some people are perpetually late (my boss for one)
  2. some people deliberately like to be late for meetings. They see it as a sign of seniority. It is an actual power play to demonstrate their importance to the room. This is a known and documented tactic.

If in a junior role, just do as they say and join the call at the allotted time. Don't start this kind of friction with your manager over "who starts the call". You won't last in the role if you do.

twomanyfrogsinabox · 29/10/2024 16:06

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:57

I can’t find the post now, but I agree there’s too many outdated opinions on this thread. Even using the word “boss” seems so beyond outdated to me. Seems the type of word someone in middle management would use to describe themselves and declare they “pay your wages” - as if it directly comes out of their HSBC current account.

I’ve been lucky that I’ve had good managers previously that don’t make up pointless rules to insert authority. Ive only ever had one manager who lorded his authority and he lost his position and was demoted within six months.

Times have drastically moved on since Covid.

Things haven't changed that much, someone has to be in charge or everyone just pulls in different directions. And if you are junior in a business your opinion doesn't carry as much weight as the manager, however much you think you know better.

Butchyrestingface · 29/10/2024 16:06

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:57

I can’t find the post now, but I agree there’s too many outdated opinions on this thread. Even using the word “boss” seems so beyond outdated to me. Seems the type of word someone in middle management would use to describe themselves and declare they “pay your wages” - as if it directly comes out of their HSBC current account.

I’ve been lucky that I’ve had good managers previously that don’t make up pointless rules to insert authority. Ive only ever had one manager who lorded his authority and he lost his position and was demoted within six months.

Times have drastically moved on since Covid.

Well, thank Godless you're here now to whip 'em all into shape, OP.

Come back with an update at the end of the your probation period, if not before.

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 16:06

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/10/2024 16:06

Because he is having his time wasted by the OP.

He dials in as soon as he can (which may be slightly late, but the reason is because his last call overran), while the person he is meeting with doesn't bother - despite the fact that she doesn't have any good reason for dialling in late.

You don’t understand the OP.

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surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 16:06

Butchyrestingface · 29/10/2024 16:03

That's my feeling. He might be rude, he might be wanting to exert his power, etc, etc. But he's the OP's manager and the OP is presumably still on probation, sitting there with, by her own admission, a fairly empty diary. I'd suck it up.

Mu diary is only fairly empty as they put you through so much training. Most is sadly irrelevant to my job, but I (and any other new starters) have to do it.

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TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 29/10/2024 16:06

Gwenhwyfar · 29/10/2024 16:03

Then why is her boss making a big deal out of it?

Because he is having his time wasted by the OP.

He dials in as soon as he can (which may be slightly late, but the reason is because his last call overran), while the person he is meeting with doesn't bother - despite the fact that she doesn't have any good reason for dialling in late.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 29/10/2024 16:05

surrpundedby · 29/10/2024 15:57

I can’t find the post now, but I agree there’s too many outdated opinions on this thread. Even using the word “boss” seems so beyond outdated to me. Seems the type of word someone in middle management would use to describe themselves and declare they “pay your wages” - as if it directly comes out of their HSBC current account.

I’ve been lucky that I’ve had good managers previously that don’t make up pointless rules to insert authority. Ive only ever had one manager who lorded his authority and he lost his position and was demoted within six months.

Times have drastically moved on since Covid.

I'm about as far from hierarchical and status-driven as you can get. I really couldn't care less about that shit, and I couldn't care less who starts a teams meeting either. But you sound like you have an unhealthy preoccupation with the idea of authority, and that is causing you to view this situation through quite a fucked up lens.

The simple fact in this situation is that your manager is clearly much busier than you are - he is in and out of back to back meetings etc while you are just reading through training materials at your desk. It is therefore to be expected that the manager may be late from time to time, because he is so busy but there is no reason for you to be late because you're just sat reading at your desk. If you can't see how rude it is, then perhaps your understanding of what amounts to common courtesy needs a bit of a refresher.

This is not about some power play. It is just a basic expectation that people should try to be on time for meetings unless there are good reasons for why they might end up running late.

betterangels · 29/10/2024 16:05

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 29/10/2024 14:54

You said he was in back to back meetings?
You starting your meeting gave him the nod to say sorry for to go now I have another meeting starting.

Edited

This.

You start it at the allotted time.

DinosaurMunch · 29/10/2024 16:04

Ha ha at this being a power move. A reasonable work request is not a power move.
If he was expecting you to go out for his lunch or clean his shoes you might have a point

SallyWD · 29/10/2024 16:04

another1bitestheduck · 29/10/2024 14:55

He was doing something else whereas you werent! if he was still in his last meeting he physically couldn't start a new one with you, whereas you could. This way he can jump straight in knowing you are ready without faffing around waiting.

You shouldnt need a manager to tell you that you should be on time for meetings!

Exactly this.

MichaelandKirk · 29/10/2024 16:04

This all sounds most strange.. honestly just join on time and carry on doing other things if the meeting is late starting. Easy - it doesnt need to be this difficult and if I am honest that you sound very picky about a senior member of staff. That never goes well.

Butchyrestingface · 29/10/2024 16:04

BeMintBee · 29/10/2024 15:55

Aah Gen Z. God love ‘em.

Couldn't eat a whole one though.