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Birthday cake without parents?

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Wondergirl1111 · 29/10/2024 14:20

I have really tried to be a part of my husbands family over the years, but unfortunately I don't think I'm thought of as part of the 'family'. They are nice to me generally, but I'm not an important person to them. And that's ok, life goes on - however...

It's my DD birthday next week and we're going on holiday. I have just heard from my DH that my MIL has got DS a cake and is planning on doing a little birthday celebration with her tomorrow (she spends one day a week with them and her cousin). It seems as if maybe the rest of the family (aunties and uncles) are going to be there, yet no one has asked me if I would like to be there too (DH is at work). It's her first birthday where she will really understand it's her birthday.

AIBU to want to be with DD when she has a cake and is sung happy birthday the first time she really understands it all?

Am I silly to worry that she will wonder where I am and think I don't love her? And if so, should I speak up before it happens so that this can be avoided (or do you think it will cause conflict - something I'd like to avoid!). Do I have the right to ask them to wait until after her birthday?

Is it ok for them not to ask me or shall I just let it go ahead, don't overthink it and let DD have a nice time blowing out the candles?

Ultimately DD's happiness is the most important element. I just keep thinking about when I was little - my mum was there making the cakes and lighting the candles - I want DD to feel that stability in these memorable moments too, so aside from my own feelings, that's another worry.

Thank you.

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Tourmalines · 07/11/2024 10:21

VitaminSubtle · 07/11/2024 09:04

I think you’re mixing up different issues. I don’t think this is anything to do with your daughter for a start. When DS was that age, he certainly had different ‘parties’ with different parts of the family, including cake and candles, not all of which DH or I were present for. If you don’t trust your PILs with your child, that’s an entirely separate matter, but I don’t think inviting a family member your DH has an issue with to a party in their house suggests anything about your DD’s welfare is at issue. They can invite whoever they like to their house, and omit personality clashes from the invitation list. Or are you saying that you think that they can’t invite a family member to the birthday of a three year old because they have beef with that three year old’s parents?

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Wondergirl1111 · 07/11/2024 09:57

@Autumn38 - it is weird - did you see my update? I found out why x

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Autumn38 · 07/11/2024 09:35

Wondergirl1111 · 29/10/2024 14:34

DD is three too, so very similar situations then!
Yes this is the other side of the coin - she gets two cakes, two songs! Two lots of special times. And yes, @redskydarknight - her birthday is next week when we will be on holiday with her. So we can do a cake etc then.

I guess I am worried she will think that is her actual birthday (you know what three year olds are like!) and will wonder why mummy and daddy aren't there - but I think I'm overthinking it aren't I?! x

I think you ARE probably overthinking it- she will just enjoy the fuss and then enjoy doing it with you even more for her actual birthday. I do think it’s really weird your MIL wouldn’t invite you though.

mamajong · 07/11/2024 09:20

Yabu, it's not her actual birthday, it's her GPs doing something lovely to mark the day with people who aren't necessarily going to see her on her actual birthday, where as you and DH will! No different to school or nursery singing happy birthday to a kid whose birthday isn't until the weekend for example.

If you always over analyse things and think the worst, perhaps it's partly why you don't get on so well with these family members, I'd find this attitude annoying too, it's like you're looking for problems where there are none.

VitaminSubtle · 07/11/2024 09:04

I think you’re mixing up different issues. I don’t think this is anything to do with your daughter for a start. When DS was that age, he certainly had different ‘parties’ with different parts of the family, including cake and candles, not all of which DH or I were present for. If you don’t trust your PILs with your child, that’s an entirely separate matter, but I don’t think inviting a family member your DH has an issue with to a party in their house suggests anything about your DD’s welfare is at issue. They can invite whoever they like to their house, and omit personality clashes from the invitation list. Or are you saying that you think that they can’t invite a family member to the birthday of a three year old because they have beef with that three year old’s parents?

JadziaD · 07/11/2024 08:52

With the cake, I just said no! 🤣 basically, I told her that I had made a cake for DS, and decorated it the way he wanted (40000 chocolate buttons) and that if she wants to do something like buy a special cake for his birthday, she needs to tell me as obviously I had made appropriate plans. I have never refused to allow her to have a separate little cake or celebration though - she will whip out something for the dc at her house or whatever and it's fine.

With the person, it was a bit easier in that while the rest of the family were allowing him in, everyone knew that he was a problem. So we were able to say to MIL that our dc could only be around him when me or dh was there and even if she didn't agree, she would nonetheless respect that. With fil, he probably wouldn't have, but he was never the kind of grandparent who we left the children with alone so we just sort of dodged that bullet.

Wondergirl1111 · 06/11/2024 19:55

Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

I am still dumbfounded it's all happened. Had a chat with my counsellor who i see about confidence issues and spoke to her about it, she agreed with you all. She said they actions are not putting DD first and are childish and manipulative. They have broken the trust, and Firm boundaries need to be put in place...
@JadziaD Thank you for your advice and sorry you have been through similar. You're very right about separating the situations. That's great advice thank you. How did you go about having those conversations?

@LadyGabriella Thanks - I'm really not sure what to do. The problem is, the reason this family member shouted at us in the first place was because he tried to put a boundary in place - it caused his whole family to turn against him basically. He has tried to hard to mend things with his parents - and they have got better. But clearly they still side with the family member who shouted at us and has said such hurtful things to him (it's is sister). So putting these boundaries in place feels like a very difficult task because doing that lead us to where we are now!

I have considered asking them to sit down with me, seeing as they are all just so dismissive and cruel to DH, I feel like he's tried so hard and always is the one to have the conversations but I feel a need to pritect him a little now.
AndI feel it's my responsibility as DD's mum to laying down my boundaries so that I can trust her being with them. I wonder if dealing with me might lead them to respect the boundaries more... but as i said - I have confidence issues and I'm not sure how well I'll be able to stand up to them. However, I need to advocate for my daughter, so I think it must be done.

Any advice out there on what you might say and how you might handle it? Face to face? An informal text which offers no conversation just keeping it simple? Many thanks all! x

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bellocchild · 06/11/2024 18:29

Spirallingdownwards · 29/10/2024 14:30

Call MIL and say Dh says you are doing cake for DD. what time do you need me to get there so I am in time for that?

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crockofshite · 06/11/2024 17:53

SilverChampagne · 06/11/2024 17:35

Is that a serious question?

Well, yes!

If it makes the mother feel better, and it's not hurting anyone else, and her daughter gets to enjoy cake, what's the problem?

Seriously.

Why would anyone care?

SilverChampagne · 06/11/2024 17:35

crockofshite · 06/11/2024 17:31

What's wrong with being petty?

Is that a serious question?

JadziaD · 06/11/2024 17:35

OP, situations liek this, with some variation, have happened in DH's family too.

My advice is to separate out the different issues.

IN terms of the birthday cake etc, lots of children will have a birthday tadition with a grandparent that is separate or different to with their own parents. That's okay. It will be normal and expected pretty quickly. Draw the line only when it's absolutely necessary - eg I had to tell MIL that NO, we would NOT be using the cake she had ordered specially... because she hadn't discussed it with me and I had made a cake, at DS' request. But if she wants to do a special cake with him on a spearate day, at her house, I have learnt to just shrug that one off.

The bigger issue is the manipulation with this other family member. They are purposesflly allowing and encouraging someone into your DD's life who you and your Dh are (I assume, based on your posts) attempting to go LC with, for good reason. THAT is a huge issue and potentially really problematic. Again, we had the potential for this to hapepn with us, but thank goodness, we clocked what was likely to happen and were able to put clear bondaries in place in advance and, whiel I'm sure MIL rolled her eyes a LOT, she did respect that boundary. FIL wouldn't have, but we were able to just work around him as he also wouldn't have ever gone out of his way to do something we didn't like.

crockofshite · 06/11/2024 17:31

SilverChampagne · 06/11/2024 17:18

So three in total, just so op can get in first?
How is it possible to be this petty?!

What's wrong with being petty?

LadyGabriella · 06/11/2024 17:29

What a shame. I had given them the benefit of the doubt. It seems they thought their own agenda of this other person being there was more important than the wishes of the child’s father. I am assuming you wouldn’t particularly want your daughter around that family member. The more cake the better yes, but I would be really angry about this. I guess your intuition was correct as you said. What do you think you’ll do going forward?

Hols2024 · 06/11/2024 17:27

Wow following your update I would not be having her go there once a week anymore and not on her own. Your mil sounds extremely manipulative and overbearing!

MrRobinsonsQuango · 06/11/2024 17:27

Singleandproud · 06/11/2024 17:01

This is a symptom of a bigger problem but the actual event is a non-issue, DD really won't remember or care who did these things with her in a decade. These are your future memories they are upsetting not hers so try not to let it impact you. Do the cake and song with DC and DH on holiday as planned.

Edited due to update- new childcare and rock solid boundaries needed after your holiday. Don't send her there again if they are willing to override you on who will be around your dc

Edited

100% agree they are arrogant and high handed liars. They need rock solid boundaries from here on in.

I am not trying to upset you but l bet there are other things that have happened which they haven’t told you about or they have lied about

SilverChampagne · 06/11/2024 17:18

crockofshite · 29/10/2024 14:37

Have cake and candles with your daughter and husband the day before she goes to her grandparents.

So three in total, just so op can get in first?
How is it possible to be this petty?!

Hayley1256 · 06/11/2024 17:18

I would attend if you can

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 06/11/2024 17:15

If you're not usually available at the time DD's grandparents look after her, it is unsurprising that they haven't invited you. Don't worry about it. You can tell DD that this is part one of her birthday celebrations which will continue on holiday on her actual birthday. She'll just be happy to get two treats.

Singleandproud · 06/11/2024 17:01

This is a symptom of a bigger problem but the actual event is a non-issue, DD really won't remember or care who did these things with her in a decade. These are your future memories they are upsetting not hers so try not to let it impact you. Do the cake and song with DC and DH on holiday as planned.

Edited due to update- new childcare and rock solid boundaries needed after your holiday. Don't send her there again if they are willing to override you on who will be around your dc

CurbsideProphet · 06/11/2024 16:56

@Wondergirl1111 what an update 😲 it sounds like you will need to make other arrangements for childcare, as really how could you trust your in-laws after this?

downwindofyou · 06/11/2024 15:47

Candystore22 · 02/11/2024 14:38

Have you invited your in laws over to celebrate her birthday before /after you go on holiday? If not, then I totally get why they are doing this. They also want to celebrate her birthday with her.
Next time, arrange the party and cake and invite them!

Come on. It's SUPER passive aggressive to invite all and sundry extended family and not the actual parents.

WearyAuldWumman · 06/11/2024 15:27

I had thought that you might be overreacting, OP. Given the update, it's clear that you weren't.

In your place, I wouldn't be allowing them to organise anything else, given the lies involved.

WearyAuldWumman · 06/11/2024 15:25

Wondergirl1111 · 06/11/2024 11:23

Well @StormingNorman, I was contemplating doing an update so here goes..

Outcome was very surprising - and now I know why we weren't invited... Slightly long post so if you're not interested you have been warned - save yourself now!

DH ended up speaking to his parents about it the night before as he also found it strange not to be invited and he asked if they would like to come to ours and do it at the end of the day instead as a way of us being there, but not making it awkward.

In laws replied "It will have to be at ours because other people are coming and want to celebrate her birthday too". Very blunt and shut down the conversation.

It turns out it wasn't just a cake and a song like it would have been at nursery or childminders, but a full on family party with party hats and nibbles and music and presents as well as cake etc. They text me that morning saying "I was welcome to join if I wanted" and that it was a last minute thing - which it wasn't, as other people had clearly been invited in the days / weeks before.

The reason we weren't invited as her parents? We realised when we arrived (DH replied saying we would of course want to be there as she's our little girl and we moved mountains to get there around work) - it was because they invited someone in the family that has been extremely rude and hurtful to my DH, screamed at him and I in our own house earlier this year (the final straw for him) after which he decided to take some time away from that person and their bullying behaviour. He's been having counselling about it too.

They tried to keep that from us and not invited us 'because it would have been awkward".

It seems that for my in-laws, it was more important that this other family member was there to celebrate our DD birthday than it was for her parents. This has made me really cross because they clearly don't have my DD best interests at heart - only their own. DD was 3 - she would obviously want her parents to watch her blow out her candles, especially if the entire rest of the family was there too. The way she sought me out in the little crowd with her most proud smile confirmed that for me!

Moral of the story I guess, is to trust your intuition and remember that you know your little one best. I'm glad she had a celebration with her cousins, I would never deny her that, and we have also had our own cake on holiday which was wonderful - the more cake the better!

But DH and I have been left feeling very at sea... like children, dictated to by his parents about what happens with our little one on something as special as her birthday, because there were ulterior motives. Trust has been lost. It's really sad. Not sure where we will go from here as we don't want to have a family rift, but I really don't want them to do something like this again where we are purposely left in the dark when it comes to our own daughter.

Edited

Oh heck.

I'm sorry that you're dealing with such a manipulative shower.

Anywherebuthere · 06/11/2024 11:31

Am I silly to worry that she will wonder where I am and think I don't love her

Yes you are. She wont even remember any of it. At that age it's a more a celebration for others than the actual child who will have no memory of it.

Why would you expect an invitation? If you want to be there then just go, its your child.

It's lovely of your MIL to get a her cake.

Edit: Just read your update after my post. I read it as she was 1 years old. Still don't think it makes a difference at 3.

However the rest of it is a rubbish move on their part.

Wondergirl1111 · 06/11/2024 11:23

Well @StormingNorman, I was contemplating doing an update so here goes..

Outcome was very surprising - and now I know why we weren't invited... Slightly long post so if you're not interested you have been warned - save yourself now!

DH ended up speaking to his parents about it the night before as he also found it strange not to be invited and he asked if they would like to come to ours and do it at the end of the day instead as a way of us being there, but not making it awkward.

In laws replied "It will have to be at ours because other people are coming and want to celebrate her birthday too". Very blunt and shut down the conversation.

It turns out it wasn't just a cake and a song like it would have been at nursery or childminders, but a full on family party with party hats and nibbles and music and presents as well as cake etc. They text me that morning saying "I was welcome to join if I wanted" and that it was a last minute thing - which it wasn't, as other people had clearly been invited in the days / weeks before.

The reason we weren't invited as her parents? We realised when we arrived (DH replied saying we would of course want to be there as she's our little girl and we moved mountains to get there around work) - it was because they invited someone in the family that has been extremely rude and hurtful to my DH, screamed at him and I in our own house earlier this year (the final straw for him) after which he decided to take some time away from that person and their bullying behaviour. He's been having counselling about it too.

They tried to keep that from us and not invited us 'because it would have been awkward".

It seems that for my in-laws, it was more important that this other family member was there to celebrate our DD birthday than it was for her parents. This has made me really cross because they clearly don't have my DD best interests at heart - only their own. DD was 3 - she would obviously want her parents to watch her blow out her candles, especially if the entire rest of the family was there too. The way she sought me out in the little crowd with her most proud smile confirmed that for me!

Moral of the story I guess, is to trust your intuition and remember that you know your little one best. I'm glad she had a celebration with her cousins, I would never deny her that, and we have also had our own cake on holiday which was wonderful - the more cake the better!

But DH and I have been left feeling very at sea... like children, dictated to by his parents about what happens with our little one on something as special as her birthday, because there were ulterior motives. Trust has been lost. It's really sad. Not sure where we will go from here as we don't want to have a family rift, but I really don't want them to do something like this again where we are purposely left in the dark when it comes to our own daughter.

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