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Friend hasn’t brought up my pregnancy once

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Padronpeppersplease · 29/10/2024 09:41

Just want to preface this by saying that I KNOW other people’s pregnancies are just not that interesting to other people, and also that pregnancy announcements can be triggering for a host of reasons. That said, I’m starting to feel like I’m just not being treated very respectfully by my friend and it’s really starting to get me down, I’d appreciate people’s opinions! I’m currently 24 weeks pregnant - very happy about the pregnancy, am in a happy relationship and relatively OK financially. I told this friend my news after the 12 week scan on WhatsApp, she said congratulations but then met her for a coffee a week later and she didn’t say anything else about it, when I bought it up myself I felt she was quite terse and since then I have avoided the subject. However, I then messaged her again after my 20 week scan to say that I was having a girl - again, she did message congratulations, but I then went to meet her and she didn’t mention the fact I was having a girl at all. This is in contrast to basically everyone else, again I’m not expecting anybody to want to discuss pregnancy at length but even just a basic acknowledging comment like ‘oooh so you’re having a girl!’ type thing would be nice. As I’ve said I’m not insensitive to the fact that people can struggle with this news, I’ve had miscarriages myself and also an abortion and have been triggered by the pregnancy news of friends, however I’ve at least put on a show of excitement for them. Am I being unreasonable to expect my friend who I considered myself to be very close to to demonstrate some mild interest in my pregnancy and not to feel like it’s a taboo subject I can’t mention?

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Didimum · 29/10/2024 11:25

What's going on in her life at the moment, OP? Do you think she's happy with where she's at?

I recall one of my child-free friends having a very hard time with another friend's pregnancy news. They were happy not having kids but had gone through a horrible breakup, selling of joint property etc, and she wasn't in the best place to (in her view) start losing her best friends to babies. Not a great reaction, but it was what it was and adults don't always behave spectacularly.

Padronpeppersplease · 29/10/2024 11:25

ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 29/10/2024 11:24

She isn't respecting you??? What type of 'respect' do you imagine you are owed because you are only doing what millions of people do everyday

Alright, sure, next time you have news I hope you expect your friends to not enquire after it at all because it’s commonplace

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ClytemnestraWasMisunderstood · 29/10/2024 11:24

She isn't respecting you??? What type of 'respect' do you imagine you are owed because you are only doing what millions of people do everyday

Padronpeppersplease · 29/10/2024 11:21

There are some such bitter, bitter posts on here and I’m not talking about everyone that’s disagreed with me. But I’ll correct you @KimberleyClark and “come back” to tell you that I don’t think my friend is suffering from fertility issues, she has previously said (unmprompted) that she’s on the fence about whether to have children or not, of course this may not be the whole truth but there’s certainly no reason to believe she is struggling with infertility.

When I had my miscarriage earlier this year her response was that children weren’t the be all and end all, I think the likelihood is that she’s just not interested and I’m not going to pursue it anymore, it probably will fizzle out.

I know I came on here and asked for opinions and expected there to be disagreements but to take from what I’ve said that I’m an insensitive bridezilla who is throwing my pregnancy in everyone’s face and am only pregnant so I can see the social media likes rack up… really? 😒

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KimberleyClark · 29/10/2024 11:03

ChillysWaterBottle · 29/10/2024 10:58

I hope she's taking notice of the normal, thoughtful ones and not the weirdos being nasty to a pregnant woman on behalf on the completely imagined fertility issues of a woman they've never met.

Well I think the fact she hasn’t been back is telling. If she knew for a fact her friend isn’t suffering any fertility issues or had any losses she’d surely have come back to tell us. And calling infertile women weirdos, how lovely.

Pusheen467 · 29/10/2024 11:02

ChillysWaterBottle · 29/10/2024 10:58

I hope she's taking notice of the normal, thoughtful ones and not the weirdos being nasty to a pregnant woman on behalf on the completely imagined fertility issues of a woman they've never met.

You mean possible fertility issues. No one has stated it as fact. Are you saying you don't think it's a real possibility?

Either way, OP knew she didn't want to talk about it after she initially announced her pregnancy and she still pushed it, then came onto an Internet forum to complain about her friend when she didn't get the reaction she wanted.

I suspect the friendship will fizzle out anyway.

ChillysWaterBottle · 29/10/2024 10:58

Pusheen467 · 29/10/2024 10:44

I really hope you're taking notice of the replies OP.

I hope she's taking notice of the normal, thoughtful ones and not the weirdos being nasty to a pregnant woman on behalf on the completely imagined fertility issues of a woman they've never met.

Buttercup2023 · 29/10/2024 10:56

Mrsttcno1 · 29/10/2024 10:51

I don’t think anybody is saying OP is wrong to want to talk about it with someone, just that it’s quite clear this particular friend isn’t the person to talk about it with.

But I disagree that pregnancy and infertility are the same. I would far rather be someone who is consumed in the excitement and planning of pregnancy, celebrating my baby being healthy, getting excited about having a little girl, than be the person who is potentially years into infertility who has lost one or multiple pregnancies.

The latter is always going to find it incredibly difficult to be around & discuss someone going through the former.

I agree, but also, pregnancy isn't always smooth sailing, and many women suffer from postnatal depression etc. Which again, is very hard to talk about if no one ever asks.
There is no need to compare the two, no one will ever know everyone's struggles, but surely that's the point of friendships, to have the support there for the different hardships/celebrations that may occur in our lives.

gedwards666 · 29/10/2024 10:55

To add to this, I think more and more people are getting bad at asking about life in general. I despair at the number of people I meet who ask no questions, even though I ask loads. For me, that's how conversations work - I ask some questions then you ask some questions - but some people seem to get to the end of telling me their stuff (after I've asked lots of follow-up questions in between) then just wait for me to speak. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I like to be asked something; it feels rude to just launch into talking about my stuff.

KimberleyClark · 29/10/2024 10:53

Mrsttcno1 · 29/10/2024 10:51

I don’t think anybody is saying OP is wrong to want to talk about it with someone, just that it’s quite clear this particular friend isn’t the person to talk about it with.

But I disagree that pregnancy and infertility are the same. I would far rather be someone who is consumed in the excitement and planning of pregnancy, celebrating my baby being healthy, getting excited about having a little girl, than be the person who is potentially years into infertility who has lost one or multiple pregnancies.

The latter is always going to find it incredibly difficult to be around & discuss someone going through the former.

No of course pregnancy and infertility are not the same One is e citing and joyous. The other is heartbreaking and soul destroying.

SoporificLettuce · 29/10/2024 10:53

godmum56 · 29/10/2024 10:34

surely the hint is not discussing it?

This

burnoutbabe · 29/10/2024 10:53

So the op should probably just avoid this friend for the next few years? As if she is infertile then it's best to avoid any contact which may trigger her? How can op be in touch when say on maternity leave? How could she not mention the baby then?

If the friend is not going to even hint at sone issue then it's just guessing

So safest to just drop contact for now and see if she gets in touch at any point.

gedwards666 · 29/10/2024 10:52

YANBU. Having been in a similar situation, I found it annoying too. And yes, perhaps there are reasons why she doesn't bring it up, perhaps she is suffering, but it's not unreasonable for you to feel sad that you're not having these conversations with your friend. Whether to broach the topic is difficult. You either have to decide this is just how it is and move on OR you need to ask her. It's not fair on her to keep judging her for something she doesn't know is annoying, and it's just making you feel annoyed all the time.

SmallhopesPenny · 29/10/2024 10:52

GoodnightIrene · 29/10/2024 10:24

Totally agree with this.
I'm child free by choice but always show how pleased I am for my relatives, friends and work colleagues who become pregnant especially if they've had difficulty conceiving.
It's a huge, life-changing deal so why wouldn't you talk about that with the prospective mum?
If the OP's friend has got some pregnancy related issue then she should tell OP. Even the briefest of explanations would be better than keeping OP in a state of hurt bewilderment.
Two good women friends in this situation should be celebrating right now.
Is the friend jealous?

I never shared my infertility struggles with any friends IRL. It's personal and people are not always supportive.

I definitely wouldn't tell a friend who had just announced a pregnancy about my struggles as I wouldn't want to make it about me. I'd just put on a brave face and try and appear normal.

Mrsttcno1 · 29/10/2024 10:51

Buttercup2023 · 29/10/2024 10:47

Exactly my point, one doesn't top the other. Both are equally entitled to feel their feelings. But the people saying the OP is in the wrong for wanting to talk about her baby, are just as wrong as the people saying a friend with fertility problems should just tell her etc.

I'm not saying the OP should expect this friend to want to be the one who she has long discussions with. But the generalisation that "people don't care about your children" or "your children aren't interesting to other people" is so sad. Surely friends would care enough about the human life you created to at least ask about them.

I don’t think anybody is saying OP is wrong to want to talk about it with someone, just that it’s quite clear this particular friend isn’t the person to talk about it with.

But I disagree that pregnancy and infertility are the same. I would far rather be someone who is consumed in the excitement and planning of pregnancy, celebrating my baby being healthy, getting excited about having a little girl, than be the person who is potentially years into infertility who has lost one or multiple pregnancies.

The latter is always going to find it incredibly difficult to be around & discuss someone going through the former.

SmallhopesPenny · 29/10/2024 10:50

I suspect your friend has infertility problems and being around a pregnant friend is heartbreaking for her.

When I was in the same position as your friend and being with pregnant friends and colleagues wad so hard. Especially hard when they show you scan photos and details about the pregnancy.

Your friend has said congratulations, I think respect her boundaries and keep the pregnancy talk to a minimum.

SoporificLettuce · 29/10/2024 10:50

Padronpeppersplease · 29/10/2024 09:49

But the point is that it’s a big thing in my life and as a friend I’d therefore think you’d show some interest, however feigned? When a friend talks to me about problems with their job for instance it doesn’t “interest” me but I am happy to talk about it with them because I know it’s a big/consuming thing for them.

What are the big things in her life right now?

toastofthetown · 29/10/2024 10:48

Buttercup2023 · 29/10/2024 10:36

Wow the pile on the OP is so unnecessary. I cannot imagine the pain of infertility or pregnancy loss, but I also don't agree that the OP is being selfish for wanting to talk to her friends about her child.
Of course everyone should be sensitive to other people's personal circumstances, and if she thinks it may be due to infertility issues, then she should tread carefully to not brag or take it too far by only speaking about the baby, but for the people saying she should be grateful for a congratulations and not expect people to talk more about it is insane.
Having a baby is completely life-changing, exhausting, and all consuming. Pregnancy can be hard. It is also really hard trying to raise a child well! How can people possibly expect friends to not mention their children?! New mums need support!
Of course if someone is finding it too hard to talk to their friends with children, they themselves can step away from friendships, which is desperately sad, but those of you who have said the OP is being unreasonable for wanting to discuss the life she is about to bring into the world, are mad.
How can you say on one hand, that the OP is being inconsiderate for comparing infertility to other big life events, but also expect her to keep any discussion of her child to herself and that 'other people don't care'. This is a human being, a life, not just a new handbag she is talking about!!

Having a baby is completely life-changing, exhausting, and all consuming. Pregnancy can be hard. It is also really hard trying to raise a child well! How can people possibly expect friends to not mention their children?! New mums need support!

That’s true about being a new parent and actually having a baby, but I’m 19 weeks and I don’t have a lot to say. I forget I’m pregnant a lot of time to be honest. I’m tired and have heartburn, and sure if I was struggling with pregnancy then I’d want the support of my friends just like if I was struggling with anything but for (what sounds like) a fairly uncomplicated pregnancy, I think it’s fair for the OP’s friend not to bring it up. I’ve also heard some pregnant women say they hate everyone asking about their all the time as it makes them feel like a walking incubator so it’s fair to wait for the OP to bring it up if she wanted to discuss it, and it sounds like the friend has always responded when she has. I’m not a person who thinks that no one should care about the OP and her baby or the OP is wrong to want to talk about it but I don’t think it’s the friend who has to start that conversation.

Buttercup2023 · 29/10/2024 10:47

Mrsttcno1 · 29/10/2024 10:40

Infertility is also life-changing, exhausting and all consuming. One of my friends has been through 5 years of infertility, countless appointments, daily injections, invasive tests, surgeries, egg extractions, IUI, IVF. She didn’t share this information with us until very recently, she was absolutely going through enough without feeling she HAD to share that info with anybody else.

There are plenty of people OP can discuss pregnancy with, this friend has made clear she isn’t one of them, that’s the hint.

Exactly my point, one doesn't top the other. Both are equally entitled to feel their feelings. But the people saying the OP is in the wrong for wanting to talk about her baby, are just as wrong as the people saying a friend with fertility problems should just tell her etc.

I'm not saying the OP should expect this friend to want to be the one who she has long discussions with. But the generalisation that "people don't care about your children" or "your children aren't interesting to other people" is so sad. Surely friends would care enough about the human life you created to at least ask about them.

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Pusheen467 · 29/10/2024 10:44

I really hope you're taking notice of the replies OP.

jolota · 29/10/2024 10:42

I think that just because you don't feel like having a miscarriage would stop you from excitedly discussing a friends pregnancy, doesn't mean that it wouldn't affect other people in a different way.
I think fertility and pregnancy can be extremely emotional topics for people and I think you should accept that for whatever reason, this friend doesn't feel comfortable bringing up your pregnancy in conversation and respect that.
You obviously have plenty of other people that you can talk about it with.

Pusheen467 · 29/10/2024 10:42

I cannot imagine the pain of infertility or pregnancy loss

Clearly.

Mrsttcno1 · 29/10/2024 10:40

Buttercup2023 · 29/10/2024 10:36

Wow the pile on the OP is so unnecessary. I cannot imagine the pain of infertility or pregnancy loss, but I also don't agree that the OP is being selfish for wanting to talk to her friends about her child.
Of course everyone should be sensitive to other people's personal circumstances, and if she thinks it may be due to infertility issues, then she should tread carefully to not brag or take it too far by only speaking about the baby, but for the people saying she should be grateful for a congratulations and not expect people to talk more about it is insane.
Having a baby is completely life-changing, exhausting, and all consuming. Pregnancy can be hard. It is also really hard trying to raise a child well! How can people possibly expect friends to not mention their children?! New mums need support!
Of course if someone is finding it too hard to talk to their friends with children, they themselves can step away from friendships, which is desperately sad, but those of you who have said the OP is being unreasonable for wanting to discuss the life she is about to bring into the world, are mad.
How can you say on one hand, that the OP is being inconsiderate for comparing infertility to other big life events, but also expect her to keep any discussion of her child to herself and that 'other people don't care'. This is a human being, a life, not just a new handbag she is talking about!!

Infertility is also life-changing, exhausting and all consuming. One of my friends has been through 5 years of infertility, countless appointments, daily injections, invasive tests, surgeries, egg extractions, IUI, IVF. She didn’t share this information with us until very recently, she was absolutely going through enough without feeling she HAD to share that info with anybody else.

There are plenty of people OP can discuss pregnancy with, this friend has made clear she isn’t one of them, that’s the hint.

WigglyVonWaggly · 29/10/2024 10:39

OP, it seems to need spelling out. There’s likely to be a reason your friend is clearly avoiding what would normally be the most obvious topic of conversation . She’s not merely disinterested, she’s uncomfortable at the moment with having conversations about your pregnancy and seems to be actively avoiding the topic.

With this situation, stop attempting to extract protracted congratulations / excitement / whatever else it is that you are seeking from her.

She could have lost a baby the morning you first texted her with your news - it could be horrifically raw - you have no idea at all. All you know is that something isn’t right. You have your baby and excitement irrespective of how she reacts. Time to be sensitive.

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