Rude, Racist or Right?

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Rude and racist. Report to the bus company

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Where have you got from the OP that this man was foreign?

I would tend to think potentially anti-foreigner rather than racist, assuming the man was not in fact English. If he was, might be more towards rude.

I realize people elide racist with other things these days but they are different.

All this being said: Social norms can really be different in different places and I do think this can cause social frictions. When I was visiting my relatives (in a majority non-white place), they were careful to instruct me on appropriate behaviours before they sent me out on my own, which were much more formal - please and thank-you, and also greeting strangers you walk past, very different tipping culture, etc. Also as it happens greeting the bus driver and saying thank you when I got off. The overall sense was that while people wouldn't judge me being a clueless foreigner, deep down they think foreigners are a bit rude and I really ought to behave in a civilized way. since I was family.

But it's not really the best idea for a bus driver to try and impart this sort of thing.

Rude - yep! much worse to admonish an adult than to fail to say "please". The guy didn't say "give me a ficking ticket to Blackpool, nob head" whilst gobbing on the floor. So no need for the patronising telling off.

Racist - absolutely! Impossible to imagine how "We're in England now" comment was anything else.

He 100% would NOT have said it to a white person from Poland though, because he would have assumed that white = English.

I agree to an extent, some cultures don't say please and thank you and it's fine to politely correct that when it's appropriate (a pp used an example above of telling a relative what to do, which I think is absolutely fine) but there's no way the driver would have spoken like that to any other white dude.

Rude wrong and racist. No other reason to add that ending.

OP, what you should have done on your turn was just say the destination. The same way the passenger in front did. Just to see thre driver’s reaction.

Just imagining someone getting on a bus and saying "Name of Destination" made me chuckle, sorry to miss the point.

The bus driver was racist. He didn't need to say the England bit.

I do wonder if he perhaps thought the man was foreign and didn't speak much English if he just said the destination name without even saying please. Not saying please is rather rude, so pointing out that the person didn't say please is fair enough. He didn't need to say the England bit though.

I often/always challenge rude kids at school who don't say please and thank you.

Where I live in a northern city it is normal to just say the destination. There's a huge multicultural population and if the man was from this city he wouldn't know any different.

This is England definitely racist and unacceptable.

Racist

He was rude and he was racist and he has appalling customer service skills (or lack of). He should be reported.

But in your examples, you’re clearly not from their country. You’re speaking a different language with a difference accent. A clear tourist.

There was nothing about this man to indicate that he wasn’t British. No reason to reference nationality or country at all, or make any assumptions about him. Other than his skin colour. The bus driver saw a black man and decided he needed educating about how “this is England.” He would likely not have said the same thing to a white personal showing no other signs of nationality. He saw a black man and decided to chastise him using s racially motivated comment.

It absolutely is rude. I mean, sometimes if someone else is being very rude another adult roll their eyes or make a sarcastic comment, which is also rude but I guess that's purposefully rude in response to original rudeness. This sort of "schooling" and telling off is NOT a cultural norm for a white British person to another white British person who does not say thank you.

Adults are allowed to be rude. we can all judge them for tyat rudeness. Choose not to spend time with them because they are rude. Even be a bit rude back if we want to. But we don't try to educate them on how not to be rude becuase... they are ADULTS and it's not other adult's jobs to do that.

As for the example about bags in other shops etc. It's possible there's some xenophobia, driven especially by irritation towards tourists. But in my experience, it's often just locals trying to help people navigate what is normal in their country.

Racist. Would he have presumed to remind a white customer to say please I wonder…

But this isn't a white person from Poland. It is, as far as anyone knows, an English person.

You're responding to a racist incident that did happen with a "but what if this totally different scenario had happened instead?" response.

Polish isn’t a race. It would be xenophobia not racist.

On reading many comments … it occurred to me that I’ve been treated this way in several other countries. Where the locals are quite rude about my language skills, or not understanding cultural norms (like NO bags at all in a shop, no bags for life etc)

The people often short tempered, rude ….

But seriously I don’t think racist. Or do I not think racist because I am white???

Is it white privilege to never think someone is being racist towards you???

Exactly.

Rude and racist.

Would it not depend if someone has a strong accent that clearly said they were Australian or American?

So racist if they have an English regional accent, but maybe not if they had a Welsh or Scottish one? Or overseas.

Racist and rude

So do you think non English people are all rude and only English people know how to be polite?