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Struggling with marriage during pregnancy - need perspective

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marriagehelpplease · 28/10/2024 22:01

NC as don't want posts linked

Expecting our first child and having serious concerns about my marriage, but really want to make it work. Recently came off antidepressants and recognise I could be more sensitive or even possibly seeing things in a distorted way - looking for honest feedback about whether these concerns are valid regardless of my mental state.

My husband works hard and helps with practical things like DIY that he chooses, but seems completely disconnected from the pregnancy. Out of many appointments (high-risk pregnancy), he's attended just one after I really pushed for it - the 12 week NHS scan. He declines to listen to baby's heartbeat at home when offered, saying "later" or "tomorrow" but never does.

Some concerning incidents that I know happened regardless of my mental state:
Recently, he locked us in a room with a broken door before an important meeting to "test" if we could get out. When I said I'd be late for work and didn't want to, he locked us in anyway, then mocked me when I panicked and made fun of the way I was crying, which felt cruel even if I was overreacting.

He refuses basic hygiene requests (like hand washing after using bathroom for poos), and when asked will sometimes intentionally touch kitchen surfaces before washing. When I ask for help with things like taking bins out or car issues while feeling unwell, he'll do it but make it very clear it's a massive inconvenience. I was really unwell last week and he couldn't even wash the dishes instead he piled them up because he says I'm messy and he refuses to clean up after me (absolutely but when I'm flu and pregnant I think it's cruel),

My mother has attended more appointments than him, and when I express hurt about his lack of involvement, he suggests the baby is mainly my thing because I'm the one getting excited about it. He won't engage in discussions about names except to make jokes from fantasy books, and says I can "call it whatever." He did make some purchase recently as his way of showing interest but day to day he doesn't acknowledge I must have put in about 100 hours in appointments, travel etc for this child and so much as an acknowledgment would be nice, or a cup of Tea or fetching me something from the supermarket.

I know my mental health isn't great right now - I can get emotional when frustrated, probably text too much when trying to communicate, and being off medication makes everything feel more intense. Some decisions I've made haven't worked out well, which he points out frequently and brings up in unrelated arguments.

He says I'm being overly dramatic, hormonal/irrational, taking things too seriously, not appreciating what he does do, and bringing up issues too much. When I try to discuss concerns, it usually ends in arguments where he tells me I'm crazy or threatens to block my messages. He refuses to consider counseling.

The only time I consistently see kindness is during intimate moments, which worries me. Despite contributing equally to our life together, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells most of the time.

I don't want to leave him - I want to fix this. Should I just go back on medication? How can I communicate better? What's normal partner behavior during pregnancy vs concerning? Even accounting for possible mental health issues, are some of these behaviors objectively concerning?

Note: Looking for constructive advice on making things work, not suggestions to leave.

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YellowphantGrey · 29/10/2024 10:24

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 10:21

I'm not telling my midwives so that they can alert authorities etc. no way, I'd rather talk to a private counsellor. Midwives don't tend to be helpful even with health related stuff so they will have no help with this, I'm sorry

You need help though? You are in an abusive relationship and are about to bring a baby into it.

It won't get better. It will always be your fault and eventually your babies fault.

YellowphantGrey · 29/10/2024 10:21

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 10:16

All peppe are doing is saying he's vile and get out, there are few supportive posts here or posts actually stating what is so abusive about the behaviours while I know it's not right, I feel posters do make things very black and white.

Perhaps I do need to seek someone out IRL.

What's specifically do people expect from their partner?

If you're I'll for example?

If your mental health struggle for example?

Depends on how unwell I am. If I'm ill enough that I need a day in bed then that's what happens and the house runs as it needs to. DH will ask if I need anything, fetch any medicines if needed and offer food. If I go for a shower, he would remake or change the bed. I do the same.

We split housework 50/50 but also do what needs doing if we see it. DS who is 16 also does this.

Your relationship sounds abusive. He ignores you and does what he wants and treats you with zero respect.

Abuse isn't just physical.

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 10:21

I'm not telling my midwives so that they can alert authorities etc. no way, I'd rather talk to a private counsellor. Midwives don't tend to be helpful even with health related stuff so they will have no help with this, I'm sorry

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BryceQuinlan · 29/10/2024 10:20

I think you were able to cope with his behaviour when on antidepressants. He does not sound nice or loving. Neither a good partner nor future husband. The fact that you can't be honest with your family is extremely worrying.

Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 29/10/2024 10:19

There needs to be fair division of labour.
The housework is not the biggest problem here by far but if he can't step up when you are not well now it will be much much worse one baby arrives.
It's called teamwork. When I'm poorly my DH will do everything that needs to be done. We all live in this house and when one can only give 10% the other does the other 90%.

Hyperbowl · 29/10/2024 10:19

OP you mention how the links talk about physical abuse and I may have misinterpreted your words but you seem to think the advice doesn’t apply to you because he’s not as of yet been physically abusive. Let me be clear, emotional abuse is just as damaging as physical abuse except when bruises heal the mental torture lives on in the mind for many years to come if left untreated.

Having a baby will only exacerbate problems and make things worse. Sleep deprivation and lack of attention on them once baby is born can often spiral an abusive situation for it to then become physical. You said he was always bad but has gotten much worse recently. It’s not uncommon for this to happen once an abuser impregnates their partner as they believe they’ve trapped you. He’s aware of just how physically and emotionally vulnerable you are and that will only heighten once baby is born and he knows you will have to rely on him. But he can’t be relied upon can he? How much worse do you think it’s could to get once baby is born? He is unlikely to help you at all and may even blame you and get angry when baby is crying during the night and difficult to console. Babies feed off negative emotion and it’s just awful to even think about bringing a baby into a relationship such as this. When you get upset and scared, your baby can feel it too.

Please safeguard yourself and your unborn baby and get away because it’s not fair on your baby for you to put them through growing up in an environment like that. They don’t deserve it and only you have the ability to stop it. You have to leave one day whether you like it or not, this isn’t a decision that you have control over ultimately. One day you will realise this for yourself. Please tell your midwives everything that you’ve told us and let them help you.

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 10:16

All peppe are doing is saying he's vile and get out, there are few supportive posts here or posts actually stating what is so abusive about the behaviours while I know it's not right, I feel posters do make things very black and white.

Perhaps I do need to seek someone out IRL.

What's specifically do people expect from their partner?

If you're I'll for example?

If your mental health struggle for example?

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MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 29/10/2024 10:14

I seriously don't think there's any point in people commenting any further, the OP has clearly made up her mind to stick with this man however abusive he becomes, and is just burying her head in the sand. It's a bit like an addiction really, we can all tell her how bad this man is for her, but until she realises it for herself, probably when he abuses their child, she's not going to do anything about it.

So, OP, at this stage I'm out!

thepariscrimefiles · 29/10/2024 10:12

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 08:54

Can people please give actual advice rather than just explaining how vile he is and please read my updated posts

My advice would be to contact domestic abuse charities for advice and keep records of his abusive behaviour.

Tell people in real life who you can trust and have an exit strategy for you and your baby for when living with him becomes unbearable or when you feel that he is not only a danger to you but to your baby.

AnneLovesGilbert · 29/10/2024 10:03

You know how unhappy you are now.

Imagine how you’ll feel in the middle of the night, a crying baby in your arms, still recovering from giving birth, exhausted, hungry, hormonal and you need him to change the baby, give you a hug and tell you it’ll be alright. Is that what he’ll do?

Or will he use the baby to hurt you even more, mock your tears, diminish your exhaustion, berate you for the mess, tell you to get your own glass of water, insist the baby’s nappy can wait?

jellybe · 29/10/2024 10:02

OP you keep asking for advise on how to fix this but you can't! You can not change your husband, he will not get better, treat you better or be considerate of your feelings by you changing anything you are doing. All you can do is decide if being treated like this is something you are willing to live with and subject your child to or if you are going to put a stop to it by leaving.

Nothing you do will make him change for the better the only change you might see is him treating you worse as you shrink yourself more and more to try and appease him.

Tell your mum what he is really like and just watch her face that will tell you all you need to know about how appalling this man is. Or imagine your DC telling you their partner treated them like this what would you say to them? It wouldn't be 'have you tried x,y, z to appease them?' It would be 'darling leave them and come home!'

Earsburning1 · 29/10/2024 10:01

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 09:58

The piling up of the dishes were my dishes from the breakfast I had cooked for us both. He says I'm very messy and take advantage of the fact he's not and thinks by doing any washing up that isn't his it will encourage me to be worse.

He also gets very angry that I never empty the drying my rack after washing up, it's just ridiculous.

I understand and agree I'm not domesticated but I make up for it by making him a lot of money (I don't mean this in a pimp way lol i don't share my money with him other than split the bills 50:50, I'm just saying the costs of replacing in my career would cost him much more than. Housekeeper, so what does her expect I cannot be Perfect st everything)

But I did just think can he honestly not just wash up give I'm sick?

He will leave one glass if it's mine - he refuses to ever watch anything up of mine even so much as a knife. Is this not just really immature?

I try and not do the same to show I'm the bigger person but then I get annoyed and sometimes pile his up too because when I do this he still doesn't see how ridiculous it is.

Op is this seriously what you’re taking from all this? Please read people’s posts

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 09:58

The piling up of the dishes were my dishes from the breakfast I had cooked for us both. He says I'm very messy and take advantage of the fact he's not and thinks by doing any washing up that isn't his it will encourage me to be worse.

He also gets very angry that I never empty the drying my rack after washing up, it's just ridiculous.

I understand and agree I'm not domesticated but I make up for it by making him a lot of money (I don't mean this in a pimp way lol i don't share my money with him other than split the bills 50:50, I'm just saying the costs of replacing in my career would cost him much more than. Housekeeper, so what does her expect I cannot be Perfect st everything)

But I did just think can he honestly not just wash up give I'm sick?

He will leave one glass if it's mine - he refuses to ever watch anything up of mine even so much as a knife. Is this not just really immature?

I try and not do the same to show I'm the bigger person but then I get annoyed and sometimes pile his up too because when I do this he still doesn't see how ridiculous it is.

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Cappuccinowithonesugarplease · 29/10/2024 09:48

I've been where you are now OP.
It took me until my son was 18 months to finally leave. It doesn't get better trust me.

Matildahoney · 29/10/2024 09:48

This is absolutely your husband, and the advice you're getting given is to leave him before things get worse for you and your unborn child. Quite why you want to make it work I cannot fathom!
What do you actually get out of the relationship?!
My DH works hard, long hours, I'm on maternity leave, he cooks daily, he shares the housework, in fact probably does more than I do, he looks after DC, he does the food shopping, he would do absolutely anything for us. That's love and a marriage to stay in, not yours.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 29/10/2024 09:44

@bangwam1 is correct

Sugargliderwombat · 29/10/2024 09:42

marriagehelpplease · 28/10/2024 22:28

I really don't know how to fix this as it seems like resentment is building but I really want this to work

Abuse often gets worse during pregnancy. It won't get any better once your baby / child is here to witness it too. Sorry OP but you are in denial, there is no fixing this level of psychological abuse.

He locked you in a room. That is messed up.

MadKittenWoman · 29/10/2024 09:42

Firstly, if your doctor agrees it's safe for your baby, get back on the antidepressants. This is not because I think any of this is your fault but because you need to be able to think clearly about what is happening in this relationship. I say this as a long-term user of anti-depressants and know how bad things can get when you're off them.

Secondly, I would plan how to leave / kick him out and prepare to go it alone. He's a gaslighting abuser. He's no good for you and won't be good for your child. You can do this. Flowers

Ohnobackagain · 29/10/2024 09:40

@marriagehelpplease kindly, from your posts, this is not you being off meds or anything else. It is him. He will not change. He should be cherishing you and instead he is belittling you, telling lies about you and, being the one with dogs, if he can’t wash his own hands then the thought of his lack of hygiene with them (and your comments about the work surfaces) - just NO.

He is not a nice person, I’m sorry.

dairydebris · 29/10/2024 09:40

Mumsnet is such a depressing place sometimes.

Sounds like OP has no intention of leaving but would instead prefer to concilate this asshole.

Threads we can all look forward to in the future-

Husband treating me worse since baby born
Is my husband bullying my 4 year old?
Adult daughter seems attracted to abusive men, how can I help her?
Should I go NC with Mum due to Dad's childhood abuse?
Why doesn't my daughter visit at Christmas?
Son treats girlfriends horribly

And so cycle continues....

MalteserGeezee · 29/10/2024 09:36

The advice is unanimous: your partner is vile, abusive, he will not change and in fact his cruel treatment of you may even escalate once the baby arrives. People here are speaking from experience, and a place of empathy. You need to leave. I understand this feels terrifying. But is it worse than decades more of this, with an innocent, impressionable child in the mix.

The reason I support charities like women's aid is to ensure women like you, in situations like yours, have access to support and services that can help them take brave step on a new path. I wish you luck and happiness in future, please take action now.

MsNeis · 29/10/2024 09:36

Bangwam1 · 28/10/2024 22:58

You’re likely dealing with someone with npd. He does it because narcissists enjoy hurting people. Pregnancy is largely when the mask slips and they start to devalue you much more intensely. He gaslights you and has all the other signs. You need to do some reading because if it’s true, they just get worse.

I agree very much with this.
I'm so sorry, OP, but you've been given solid perspectives here: he is clearly abusive, and as pp says, he seems to be narcissistic (and of the quite malignant type, tbh). Pregnancy is The litmus test: if he is being cruel and nasty to you while pregnant, you definitely DON'T want him around when your child is born. He's being awful to you now not because he doesn't aknowledge that you're doing the most important task (growing a human being within, numinous stuff): he's being awful because he knows! He knows and can't stand it.

When did your depression start, by the way? When did you started medicating? Was it encouraged by him? (ETA: I now see you already answered this)
Is he saying now that you need to take the medication again? If you're out of taking it for now it is, presumably, with the knowledge of your doctor so they think you're well without it? Have you told them what's the situation at home?

Earsburning1 · 29/10/2024 09:35

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 09:30

@Unexpectedlysinglemum I've been suffering depression since teens way before meeting him

Stop blaming yourself!! It’s ok to have depression and I can tell you one thing, he’s clearly not helped it has he? If anything he’s used it to his advantage.

I know you love this man. I was head over heels about my ex and I thought I could not or would not live without him. I left, got out, got help and now I look back and think what the actual fuck was going on in my head that I thought any of this was ok. I since have met my husband who is the most green flagged person I’ve ever met. I have BPD from a mixture of childhood trauma and my previous relationship’s trauma. It doesn’t affect our relationship because my husband is caring and understanding and knows my brain doesn’t react the same way others do. That is what a good man does. He doesn’t exasperate it. He doesn’t do anything to make you hysterical however irrational it may seem to him. Your mental health has nothing to do with the way your husband treats you.

please OP listen to what you’re being told here

TheLittleOldWomanWhoShrinks · 29/10/2024 09:35

marriagehelpplease · 28/10/2024 22:28

I really don't know how to fix this as it seems like resentment is building but I really want this to work

I don't understand why you are so set on 'making it work' with what, from the outside, is very clearly an utter horror of a person and possibly a dangerous one? It seems as if you've been in this relationship for a while - is it the sunk costs fallacy?

marriagehelpplease · 29/10/2024 09:30

@Unexpectedlysinglemum I've been suffering depression since teens way before meeting him

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