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To let me nephew see me naked?

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Whoknowsnotmeshrug · 28/10/2024 21:58

Sounds goady, didn’t know how else to word it.

im a 40 year old lady. No children of my own.

I have a 3.5 year old nephew. I have a good relationship with him, see him regularly and have him overnight/ take him swimming and for weekends away.

When do you need to start worrying about little kids seeing you naked?! As I say I’ve been taking him swimming since before he could walk so I’ve just taken him in the shower with me/ washed myself and him (in a private shower cubicle!) and not even thought about it. When he stays over I wear pyjamas as he’s often in my bed (he had his own bed but prefers mine- that’s what he does at home too!!) but just quickly get changed in the morning so I guess he sees a flash of my bits and pieces.. I have recently started to leave him in a pretty safe room whilst I use the toilet but he’d much sooner come and chat with me whilst I’m on the loo..

He’s started talking about bodies and making observations about mine. I wasn’t really bothered but now I’m thinking he’s going to be 4 before I know it and maybe I need to be more modest!!

So:
YABU- you should always be covered when you have a 3.5 year old over that isn’t your child
YANBU- it’s fine. He’s a little kid and family

The last option: (can’t vote!) it’s fine if he happens to see something quickly but try to be covered where possible with towels/ ask him to not look.. I think I’m going down this route but would like advise!

what are others take on this?!

OP posts:
ByQuaintAzureWasp · 29/10/2024 08:17

I would ask his parents for their thoughts as it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks.

Haveyouanyjam · 29/10/2024 08:16

yeaitsmeagain · 28/10/2024 22:59

This is really weird and creepy. Why don't you just shower in your swimming clothes like normal people do after swimming? Why is he sharing your bed like Michael Jackson? Why is he watching you pee and why are you dressing and undressing in front of him?

I'm slightly younger than you and don't have kids either, and the thought of doing any one of those things turns my stomach. In fact writing the above questions made me feel sick.

Maybe these things are normal if it's your kids. But those things when it's not and you don't have any kids? Honestly scary.

He’s not some random child she’s picked up off the street, he’s her nephew and she has been looking after him alone. My 3 yo stays in the room with my mum when she showers if no one else is up, much safer than letting her roam about by herself! Obviously when she’s older that won’t happen but nudity isn’t sexual to a child. Nor is bed sharing with a close family member who has been entrusted to look after them.

BetterWithPockets · 29/10/2024 07:34

topaz27 · 28/10/2024 23:57

I'm in two minds here. I do think it's odd and unnecessary to be naked around a child who isn't your own (and I'm also a childless aunt). However, I also think some of the things you've done - looking after him for the weekend on your own, washing your nephew, taking him swimming - are more parent-y type things than aunt-y type things.

In the context of you being a third parent, it feels a lot less weird. In which case, I'd apply parent rules, which is you stop being naked when the child becomes aware/uncomfortable.

This.

Smittenkitchen · 29/10/2024 07:32

Sorry if already been mentioned but I wouldn't tell him not to look. I think that makes it more awkward, more likely that he would look and suggests there's something shameful about bodies. He's still very little so you've got a while yet.

Tangerinenets · 29/10/2024 07:26

rokaaroundthechristmastree · 29/10/2024 07:12

@Tangerinenets yes! I guess I didn't know any different? Was home educated, no peer group and no access to the internet at home either.
I would say he almost encouraged it, so whilst I class him as an abuser in all other areas, I don't say sexual abuse although I think this does sort of fall into that category.

I agree it does definitely. I never gave being naked much thought around my children. Just gradually as they got older they wanted privacy and by 11/12 I’ve definitely not seen them naked or shared a bathroom or anything with them .

Forwhatitsworth18 · 29/10/2024 07:23

Strawberryyy · 29/10/2024 05:56

Your dad saw you naked as a teenager? I could understand your mum occasionally, but your dad?

Dh & I have never been naked in front of our children & never would be,at least past their baby stage.The mere idea makes me cringe.

WitchyBits · 29/10/2024 07:23

We have a very very relaxed attitude towards nudity within my extended family. All of my sisters/daughters and our kids would happily get changed in a room together. Every child is male in my family, after a generation of girls so it Is up to the boys to say they prefer a cubicle when they feel it's age appropriate ( eldest nephew is 12, has used a cubicle for 2 years, 9 yo dn doesn't care, neither does 5yo dn or any of my grand sons age 1-3). Obviously we wear pjs to bed and don't do naked cartwheels etc and we have kind of just silently agreed this approach as we all feel the same. If I was in the bath my sisters would come and talk to me and vice versa. It's just not a big deal for us and the onus is on the child to decide they are ready to get changed alone/dont want to see giant white boobs everywhere. It's not for the women to cover up to suit the kid , especially not in a place that's meant to be used for changing.

Whyherewego · 29/10/2024 07:21

Ginkypig · 29/10/2024 00:23

I think the main element here is that he is on the cusp in terms of age.

you are his sole caregiver in the situations you are describing so parent or not until he is safe to be alone in these situations he can’t be alone or unsupervised.

once he is safe to be for example left to watch the tv for ten minutes while you jump in the shower you will close the door because you know you can
or once he is old enough to stand alone outside the toilet cubicle while you pee that’s what you will do.

these thing will naturally shift when you feel confident that it’s safe for them to.

the very fact you are raising the question shows you are considering what is appropriate and when so that tells me you will do what is right when it is right.

This nails it. You sound absolutely lovely OP and he's lucky to have you in his life

ChocolateGanache · 29/10/2024 07:20

yeaitsmeagain · 28/10/2024 22:59

This is really weird and creepy. Why don't you just shower in your swimming clothes like normal people do after swimming? Why is he sharing your bed like Michael Jackson? Why is he watching you pee and why are you dressing and undressing in front of him?

I'm slightly younger than you and don't have kids either, and the thought of doing any one of those things turns my stomach. In fact writing the above questions made me feel sick.

Maybe these things are normal if it's your kids. But those things when it's not and you don't have any kids? Honestly scary.

You sound weird and creepy!

biscuitandcake · 29/10/2024 07:16

Whoknowsnotmeshrug · 28/10/2024 22:13

Just to clarify- I’m not skipping around my house naked currently and never have been 😂.. I’m trying to work out the balance so he can still stay over and be safe but also understand that private things are.. well, private! He was most offended when I told him to wait for me outside when I was using the loo this weekend!

I can imagine exactly what you mean about the most offended part 😂. It's not a bad age for them to start to learn not only about their own right to privacy but others too. This is a very gentle introduction to that (you don't really care about your own privacy for your sake) which is probably the best way.

rokaaroundthechristmastree · 29/10/2024 07:12

@Tangerinenets yes! I guess I didn't know any different? Was home educated, no peer group and no access to the internet at home either.
I would say he almost encouraged it, so whilst I class him as an abuser in all other areas, I don't say sexual abuse although I think this does sort of fall into that category.

pinkstripeycat · 29/10/2024 06:45

yeaitsmeagain · 28/10/2024 22:59

This is really weird and creepy. Why don't you just shower in your swimming clothes like normal people do after swimming? Why is he sharing your bed like Michael Jackson? Why is he watching you pee and why are you dressing and undressing in front of him?

I'm slightly younger than you and don't have kids either, and the thought of doing any one of those things turns my stomach. In fact writing the above questions made me feel sick.

Maybe these things are normal if it's your kids. But those things when it's not and you don't have any kids? Honestly scary.

It’s frightening what’s going on In your head. THAT is weird and creepy.

I hope you never have kids. How the hell will they mean how to wash themselves if you think everything is weird and creepy. You do realised 3.5 is still very very little? No of course you don’t.

Tangerinenets · 29/10/2024 06:41

rokaaroundthechristmastree · 28/10/2024 22:04

Bit different as I was the actual child but I was naked (and vice versa) around my parents until 16 at least, and my mum maybe 18.

With my own son, who is 9, yes absolutely naked around eachother.

You were naked in front of your dad at 16? That is weird!

oneandonlygreg · 29/10/2024 06:41

Onlyvisiting · 28/10/2024 23:17

You aren't a random baby sitter, you are a close relative and are caring for him as a parental figure when you have him. Surely anything his mother is happy with him seeing is fine for you. (You can always change under a towel, it's not like you need to be stripping totally bare and pirouetteing in front of him)
There isn't some magic rule that a 4yo boy seeing his mother changing is fine and body positive but if its his aunty it is perverted and wrong. Some if the comments on here are so surprising to me. I hope the nspcc resource you were linked to gives helpful advice on how best to teach children to help protect them against abuse. I'm fairly certain it isn't done by shouting at him that naked body's are dirty and wrong and no-one should ever see anyone naked or they are a predator. Ffs.
It sounds like you have a lovely relationship with your nephew and he is as happy and comfortable around you as he would be his own parents.
you are very lucky and I hope you remain as close as he grows older.

This! 🙌

oneandonlygreg · 29/10/2024 06:38

I think you're over thinking it. In Europe, nudity is much less of an "issue" than it is here. He's your nephew and you're obviously a close family and he feels safe with you.
I certainly wouldn't care if my sister was getting changed around my DD. As you said, you're not skipping around naked, you're just getting changed. He's still little. He can't get changed alone etc so you need to be with him.
I'd speak to his mum and double check, but I don't think it's a huge deal.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/10/2024 06:33

Strawberryyy · 29/10/2024 05:56

Your dad saw you naked as a teenager? I could understand your mum occasionally, but your dad?

No, not odd at all... 😲

Strawberryyy · 29/10/2024 05:56

rokaaroundthechristmastree · 28/10/2024 22:04

Bit different as I was the actual child but I was naked (and vice versa) around my parents until 16 at least, and my mum maybe 18.

With my own son, who is 9, yes absolutely naked around eachother.

Your dad saw you naked as a teenager? I could understand your mum occasionally, but your dad?

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/10/2024 04:24

Given we're talking about going to the loo - child opens door and comes in, or in bed with clothes on, child gets in bed, or getting changed from swimming... all normal, every day things...

Not galloping around the house starkers, whirling genitals around...

I don't think it matters if its aunt/nephew or uncle/niece, (although it is a moot point as it isn't uncle/nephew) ... it may soon, but right now, no.

These are all situations where either the child is instigating proximity so clearly feels comfortable, or out of necessity.

Unnecessary nakedness, is.. unnecessary, but this doesn't seem to be that. Nakedness that makes the child feel uncomfortable would also be inappropriate but this doesn't fit that bill either.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 29/10/2024 04:07

Surprised at so many thinking it's fine.
Hmmm... how about uncle babysitting 3.5 year old niece. Is it still ok? It's fine, just family, right? 🤔

Gingerlingerlonger · 29/10/2024 03:34

It does rather sound like a few people think you should be able to avoid shitting, pissing, showering or needing to change your clothes while in solo charge of a small human.

If the parents are uncomfortable and uncertain enough to instruct her to seek the opinion of strangers on the internet, as OP states, maybe they should not take advantage of her providing them with free childcare, then they can deal with any questions around a tiny child seeing wobbly bits all by themselves.

Notaurewhy · 29/10/2024 03:26

Notaurewhy · 29/10/2024 03:20

The answer is you just adjust to it naturally. You sound like a good aunt. I think i'm good mum and had good aunties, and I take my lead from him, changing to get into sport clothes boobs out no problem, it's just a matter of fact.
You're DN has been with you doing sports and a quick change is normal. You are over thinking here. You are a good person (because you are asking what is appropriate).
My personal opinion is that people should see their family naked, in natural circumstances, .eg getting changed in a changing room

Wanted to add that at 3.5 years old you are just good aunty. He's not thinking about your self and you've got a few years yet.

Notaurewhy · 29/10/2024 03:20

The answer is you just adjust to it naturally. You sound like a good aunt. I think i'm good mum and had good aunties, and I take my lead from him, changing to get into sport clothes boobs out no problem, it's just a matter of fact.
You're DN has been with you doing sports and a quick change is normal. You are over thinking here. You are a good person (because you are asking what is appropriate).
My personal opinion is that people should see their family naked, in natural circumstances, .eg getting changed in a changing room

WiddlinDiddlin · 29/10/2024 02:57

yeaitsmeagain · 28/10/2024 22:59

This is really weird and creepy. Why don't you just shower in your swimming clothes like normal people do after swimming? Why is he sharing your bed like Michael Jackson? Why is he watching you pee and why are you dressing and undressing in front of him?

I'm slightly younger than you and don't have kids either, and the thought of doing any one of those things turns my stomach. In fact writing the above questions made me feel sick.

Maybe these things are normal if it's your kids. But those things when it's not and you don't have any kids? Honestly scary.

Bloody nora...

Showering with your cossie on is possible... explain how you get from wet cossie to dry clothing, in a small cubicle, with a small child, without getting naked at any point?

Set the small child out in the main changing room unsupervised?
Put your dry kit on over your wet stuff?
Magic?

You are in for a fucking shock if you have small children... they get in bed with you, they have the ability to move from very young, and open doors from not much older... they get in the bed and immediately grow six extra elbows and knees and apply them to your most sensitive parts.

As for going for a relaxing shit... not a chance, the second you sit down someones opened the door to come in there asking why the sky is bloody blue and did you know that Bluey is a girl and can we order a giraffe on Amazon..

I don't even have toddlers, just spent time with the ones my friends have produced and I have experienced all this!

ChampagneLassie · 29/10/2024 02:34

yeaitsmeagain · 28/10/2024 22:59

This is really weird and creepy. Why don't you just shower in your swimming clothes like normal people do after swimming? Why is he sharing your bed like Michael Jackson? Why is he watching you pee and why are you dressing and undressing in front of him?

I'm slightly younger than you and don't have kids either, and the thought of doing any one of those things turns my stomach. In fact writing the above questions made me feel sick.

Maybe these things are normal if it's your kids. But those things when it's not and you don't have any kids? Honestly scary.

She’s his aunt, he stays with her. You’ve obviously not spent much time around toddlers. They come into your bed and watch you do everything. @Whoknowsnotmeshrug is literally asking for suggestions of how to handle it. Stop making it werid

LBFseBrom · 29/10/2024 02:20

Karaokequeenie · 28/10/2024 22:03

My view is that unless it’s your child you shouldn’t be naked around them. Reinforce the private parts are private message.

Yes, I agree with that. It was ok when he was a baby but he is growing now and things change naturally. Don't make a big thing of it but keep your bits covered from now on.

I had no nieces or nephews but often had friends' children staying over, I mean friends of my son. I'll never forget walking out of the bathroom naked and a neighbour's little boy being on the landing. That was many years ago and it makes me blush now! I didn't make a thing out of it because that would have embarrassed him, I just walked into the bedroom normally but was more careful in future. However that was accidental, I wouldn't have deliberately walked around undressed in front of him.

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