Thoughts on the 1 year vaccinations please ?

But are they actual experiences?

I used to work in Cardiology, there were several times that I had to explain to patients that an ECG just recorded the electrical activity of their heart.

And that whilst it is sad if someone dies they did not die because someone recorded their ECG.

Sounds like they don’t either 🤣

"The reason so many children who aren’t vaccinated are ‘fine’ is because they are protected from the spread of disease by the vast majority of children that are vaccinated."

OP, this is SO important to understand. It's called "Herd Immunity". If the majority didn't vaccinate, we'd be seeing masses more disease and death in our children, as the diseases then can spread, multiply.
You only need to wander around an old graveyard to see that, nowadays, you simply don't see the number if childhood deaths that we saw 100 years ago.
But its chilling to know that Measles is emerging again, as a real threat to health and life.

The small number of children who CAN'T be vaccinated because of being immuno-compromised because of chemotherapy or similar, are protected by the large numbers of us that do immunise.

The reason so many children who aren’t vaccinated are ‘fine’ is because they are protected from the spread of disease by the vast majority of children that are vaccinated.

If everyone stopped vaccinating, less children would be fine.

As pp have also said, TikTok anxiety is self-fulfilling, the more videos you see the more you will get of the same content because of algorithms serving you similar types of video. This will make your thinking skewed.

Threads like this make me so glad my school teaches children about fake news and how to judge online information.

Make whatever decision is best for your child but use real facts and research, not TikTok click bait.

OP, I do feel for you here.

You are only 23 and the brain hasn't even matured fully until around 25 years old. And that's to remember, as well, that you haven't probably had the benefit of time for general life lessons ( apart from having a baby, of course).
Add in, that at 23, your formative adolescent years were, also probably, formed around social media and the assumption that all one reads on it can be believed. Not many schools teach critical thinking ( in a robust way, anyway).
As a PP quoted, on another thread Ronald Reagan said "Trust, and Verify". Verify means to use reputable sources. I was no fan of RR but the message is clear...look at BBC Verify, we have to be sure that what we read, and then choose to believe, is from robust, verifiable, reputable sources, not TikTok...this type of SM FEEDS your anxiety, it like a little gremlin in your shoulder, laughing, cackling at your spiralling distress. This is not want you want, is it?

If you truly want to tackle your anxiety, you need to actively come off SM for situations like this, I do wonder, whether there is part of you that feeds off the misinformation and the anxiety that it then causes?

It's doing you and baby harm.

Having said that, you appear to feel reasurred and able to go ahead and get your baby immunised. But this type of scenario will crop up again, and it will be tempting to feed off absurd, cruel misinformation again. This is how you could try and understand the nature of this, as being absurd and cruel.

The human psyche is programmed to dwell on bad news, sad stories, gossip...as PP have said, there are very few threads on TikTok that are pages long on how they immunised their baby, and it was all fine, is there?

I think the very first step for you in addressing your anxiety is to get off SM.

All the best, OP. By the way, a reaction to the vaccines is generally seen as a good thing, it means your little one's body is working to protect them against these diseases. ( MMR, typically produces a reaction 10-14 days post vaccination). Whilst it's never nice to see your child unwell ( especially if you're a lone parent), it is normal to have a reaction, typically, a bit grumpy, ( they may be achey), a temperature, maybe off their food, possibly upset tummy. Keep Calpol and Ibuprofen syrup to hand, weather the storm and know you're doing the right thing.

I think there’s a disproportionate amount of negative sentiment on social media because everyone who’s had the vaccines just goes about their day and it’s not a ‘post-able’ moment.

Wonder if theres a video on TikTok. “Got my child vaccinated today. Nothing happened. Waited through all childhood. They didn’t get a potentially lethal childhood disease. Nothing to report here.”

The other thing is
They say oh it's poison. Then their child is incredibly unwell with say measles and in intensive care
What are they going to do then? "No medicine as it's poison? I need to do my own research?"
No, they'll be begging for whatever medicine can be given!

There's coincidental stuff too

Like last week I was booked for my covid and flu vaccines. I had to cancel because the night before I got unwell
But if I hadn't got unwell until the day later, everyone would have been saying oh it was the vaccine when it was actually food poisoning
You don't know if you're brewing an illness already and it's sheer coincidence

It really is best to stay away from forums like that. Unless you possess a higher research degree in immunology yourself, you won't be able to fully digest the information (and misinformation) you find there. Particularly after COVID, misinformation has grown exponentially around vaccines.

Consult health professionals and don't listen to the anecdote about your aunt's neighbour's sister's hairdresser's baby cousin.

If you have anxiety and OCD, it may help you to step away from Tik Tok and other forms of SM. They are not great for mental health. The algorithms are designed to feed into your interests/obsessions and you can end up spiralling.

I know what you mean OP. I went to see my GP and she told me some stuff. All well and good, but I couldn’t help noticing that she had a mouse pad with a drug company name on it. That made me want to do some other research of my own.

So…I went on TikTok, then Insta, then had a look on the David Icke forum, then I read some Facebook pages called ‘Tin Foil Hat Truths’, then I asked a homeopath, and finally I took some advice from a few hippy cult leaders.

Very eye opening. I’m really undecided. But I’m not an antivaxxer. Honest.

Vaccines go through rigorous testing. They are proven to work, not just on an individual level but on a society level as well. Look at the rising levels of polio since people started to refuse vaccinations. It doesn't only affect your child it also affects children who for valid reasons cannot receive vaccines.

Everything on this earth carries risk and of course as parents we want to protect our children from this risk. But the risks of your child getting seriously unwell from not being vaccinated are going to be much greater than risk from the vaccine itself. Otherwise we wouldn't have them available. Also you need to consider things like children do get ill, sometimes children can spike temperatures and if those aren't managed properly seizures can happen. Is that the vaccines fault? Or could these things sometimes happen by coincidence as childhood seizures are not totally uncommon.

Anyone can go online and spout misinformation and I'd also think it's important to say that while big pharma is absolutely an issue in countries like the US its not an issue in quite the same way here in the UK. Whereas much of the info online is not UK based in its origin.

There are many different types of vaccines so you need to speak to your hv and gp if you really want legitimate information on this.

I’d look up the side effects of getting meningitis / the long term health issues if you survive that is.

coz that’s what vaccines do- reduce likelihood of death or long term harm.

there isn’t a big conspiracy that everyone working in the NHS wants to harm the general public.

its totally normal to worry and do due diligence but you’re not going to retrain as a medical researcher and check formulations of vaccines. So at some point you need to trust medical research. Maybe slight YABU for potentially letting your own issues (anxiety / OCD) affect your child’s access to healthcare (if that’s what you do).

im sure the number of adverse reactions are recorded bY MHRA so probably you can view them? But keep in mind people can report anything eg if I had the medicine and had a sore throat during the trial, I could say it was due to the medicine, so it would be recorded as an adverse effect.

The right question is not “is there a risk of an adverse reaction to a vaccine” - yes, but it is really small - it is “is the risk of vaccine higher than the risk of disease against which the vaccine protects”. The evidence is overwhelmingly that having the vaccine is much lower risk.

It’s lighthearted and a few years only. but I really like this as an explanation:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

There will always be some anti vaxxers online OP. They tend to be the ones who believe essential oils cure all illnesses and that the world is flat.

The 99% of people who do vaccinate don't go around making videos about it usually, so you're seeing a very small minority posting.

I'd trust the medical professionals who have years and years of training on this one. I do get that these videos can cause some doubt, but if your baby ends up being one of the ones who dies or gets permanently ill as a result of not having the vaccine, you'll never forgive yourself

Yes, he was pretty rough.
Whenever he coughed, he would struggle to catch his breath to the point where he would then retch and bring up food and any liquid. It didn’t help that he has asthma too.
Lasted for about three months but completely better now (hence why they call it the 100 day cough).

His asthma nurse explained that the whooping cough vaccine is good for about 10 years which is why he and the children in his year and above were all less immune and catching it.

Interestingly, it’s supposed to be super contagious but my 4 year old daughter and I managed to avoid it, presumably because of her immunisations and the vaccine I would have had during my pregnancy with her.

Definitely one to avoid.
I hope all goes well on Wednesday. Get your Calpol and cuddles ready xx You may find as it’s more of a booster this time, she’ll breeze through it xx

Just to drive in the message and make it crystal clear OP. If you see anything like this on tiktok or any other social media, run a mile.

Do whatever is recommended to you by health professionals. You can ask them questions though! If it puts you at ease, when you take her in for her vaccines ask whether it’s okay to have them all at once and the doctor/nurse will be able to reassure you.

Look up SSPE. If the thought of that doesn't scare you more than some idiotic manipulative TikToks, there's no hope for you.

There's usually no harm in giving the vaccines as per the schedule, except, I suppose, in particular medical circumstances which you'd already be aware of if they affected you.

Any vaccine has a risk of side effects. The risk of severe side effects like you mentioned in your post is very low. The risk of health complications or death from the diseases the vaccines prevent against is much higher.
The stories on TikTok of health problems following vaccination may be completely unrelated to the vaccine (eg. They have epilepsy and the first seizure randomly coincided with the timing of the vaccination).
As for making money off sick people - we live in the UK. The vaccines are provided by the NHS, as are the disease treatments. The NHS saves money by people not getting sick, hence why they advise vaccination.
We are very lucky that we live in a country that has had widespread vaccination for long enough that most of us will have no memory of what life was like before vaccines.
You sound really anxious; you should speak to your GP or self-refer to mental health services. I had CBT through the NHS and it really helped me. X

4 all in once. Also by asking us that you're basically relying on strangers on the internet for medical advice - we could be anybody really! Please save stuff like that for asking your doctor, they will be able to tell you everything you need to know.

Step away from TikTok.

Vaccines have made the world a dramatically safer place for our children. They are an amazing invention, and while not risk free, very very safe.

Have you ever seen someone with the effects of polio in childhood? It's heartbreaking and life changing. And that is someone that has lived. Measles kill.

It is your choice, but please get your information from reputable sources, not TikTok influencers who make money from views.