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LoveAlways1 · 28/10/2024 18:46

Hi fellow mums.

This is hard to type. I don’t usually reach out, I have spent my life so far supporting myself and others. I’m usually the one people reach out to. However, I’m going to give this a go, so please be kind.

I have a 16 year old son. We are a small family, just me, his dad and I. We don’t have any family around to help and, despite him having many Godparents, none of them have made any effort at all to be in his life.

He is a clever, talented boy, and isn’t depressed. However, he only brushes his teeth occasionally (about once a week), rarely washes and refuses to cut his hair. It’s very long. I wouldn’t mind this if he looked after it. But he doesn’t.

We (all three of us) have always had a loving, harmonious, supportive relationship, in a peaceful environment (i.e. no trauma, arguments etc).

We love him and care about him very much and we have talked with him about the importance of looking after himself (what will happen if he doesn’t, what will happen if he does etc) many many times but to no avail.
We have tried everything (taking away privileges, rewards etc).

Nothing is working.

His teeth are yellow, his hair is dirty and usually unbrushed, he will probably start smelling soon (he has a bag full of everything I could think of that he might need - electric razor, electric toothbrush, vitamins, face cleanser, shower gel, flannel, sponge comb, brush etc). And we always keep communication open. We are there for him always.

He rarely goes outside and I’m certain he is going to be deficient in vitamin D and other vitamins and nutrients as he doesn’t eat fruits or vegetables. He won’t let us weigh him either. “No” is his favourite word.

When I talk with my partner (his dad) about it he says he has tried talking to him many times but isn’t going to worry about it now as it’s his choice. I get that, but try as I might, I just can’t stop worrying about it! we have one main job - to keep him healthy. I feel like we are failing and I just don’t know what to do.

Please can anyone offer some advice that they have found to have worked?

Thank you x

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footballfan1963 · 03/11/2024 14:10

@LoveAlways1 nice to read your update and glad you’ve found some strategies that work for your ds.

Im also struggling with my 17 year old dd but she won’t even step foot in a doctor’s surgery (even for physical health problems) or won’t accept any help at all.

Yoire not alone.

Hi bendmeoverbackwards,

Sorry for the very late reply! I haven’t been back to visit this post for a while.

i just wanted to reach out to say thank you to you for making me feel like I wasn’t alone. I appreciate it ☺️

Hope all is well with you and your teen?

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AmIEnough · 08/11/2024 12:31

That certainly sounds like progress and he sounds lovely! It’s good that your relationship with him seems so solid, that will certainly help. I wish you both all the best.

LoveAlways1 · 08/11/2024 11:07

Cattyisbatty · 05/11/2024 09:04

Hi OP
I'm afraid I agree with others who say your DS is probably on the autistic spectrum. Yes, you are supposed to see traits when they're young but I bet if you think back to that time there were indicators. You say DS was bullied in primary; was he generally liked but there was one 'bully' who picked on him or did he not have many friends/make connections easily? Did he always have sensory issues - not like loud noises/certain feood textures/smells.

I know with my DS, who are definitely ND awaiting diagnosis, that when they are very anxious or depressed they don't want to engage in any self-care whatsover (thankfully this is rare), but DS had long hair for about a year and in he end he did get it cut but after a lot of procrastination (I think even he was fed up with it). They are also v high achievers and perfectionists but always think they have 'failed' esp DS. This is a theme with him.

I don't think you DS has to go to school - school can be damaging, it definitely didn't have a good affect on my DCs (they are past school age now), but were much happier at uni. You say he is interested in college - you should definitely pick up on that an go with him to open days, etc.

Can I also recommend going on the FB page parenting mental health - there are so many families there in similar cicumstances who will be able to offer advice. It's a charity as well as a FB community and they run courses for parents as well.

Good luck!

Hi, thanks for your input.

It was just one boy in primary who was unkind to him and others in their class/school. He was well liked and made friends and connections easily with other children and adults. He’s never had sensory issues. He doesn’t show any symptoms of anxiety or depression (other than the hygiene things) he doesn’t smell and he does have showers and wash and brush his hair and teeth but not as often as we feel he needs to.

After speaking to and listening to other parents and a couple of specialists, I am thinking more and more that he is being a typical teenager. I would never ever dismiss the possibility of a mental health condition.

I agree with you about the school thing. Home schooling has been great academically for him and us as a family. He communicates with his friends every day but he’s not physically seeing them often. He is upbeat, laughs every day, is always singing and smiling (I know this doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not depressed, but I am very aware of the signs of depression and anxiety and it’s something I would never ignore).

Thanks again for your advice, it is very kind of you xx

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LoveAlways1 · 08/11/2024 11:00

AmIEnough · 05/11/2024 07:34

PDA is also an ADHD trait. Both myself and my have it. I must say, going to the personal hygiene thing, whereas I have OCD and so am completely on the other end of the scale my daughter’s personal hygiene is questionable to say the least. She does shower and clean her teeth but I noticed often she doesn’t smell great and her teeth often look covered in plaque and her hair is often greasy so she definitely doesn’t take care of herself as most others would even though she’s almost 30 now. I wonder how your son would respond if you discussed the possibility that he may be Neurodivergent? Do you think he would see this as a personal attack?

Hi there, thanks for your reply.

i understand everything you’ve said.

Funnily enough, I broached the subject with him the other day and he replied very reasonably. He said ‘What’s that?’ I said I know a little bit about it but let’s look it up. So that’s what we did and he said he didn’t feel that he was but he wasn’t defensive at all. He’s a really polite calm boy, always has lovely manners and although he has always liked the word ‘no’ he thankfully isn’t rude or anything. We’ve always been able to talk openly and even though that has changed a little since he’s entered into the teenage years, we can still talk every day.
We went to the doctors a couple of times recently (at his request - he had a blocked ear) and he brushed his teeth had a shower washed and brushed his hair and changed his clothes before we left! so it does look like things are improving.

Thanks again for your input, I really do appreciate it and I hope you’re ok too?

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Cattyisbatty · 05/11/2024 09:04

Hi OP
I'm afraid I agree with others who say your DS is probably on the autistic spectrum. Yes, you are supposed to see traits when they're young but I bet if you think back to that time there were indicators. You say DS was bullied in primary; was he generally liked but there was one 'bully' who picked on him or did he not have many friends/make connections easily? Did he always have sensory issues - not like loud noises/certain feood textures/smells.

I know with my DS, who are definitely ND awaiting diagnosis, that when they are very anxious or depressed they don't want to engage in any self-care whatsover (thankfully this is rare), but DS had long hair for about a year and in he end he did get it cut but after a lot of procrastination (I think even he was fed up with it). They are also v high achievers and perfectionists but always think they have 'failed' esp DS. This is a theme with him.

I don't think you DS has to go to school - school can be damaging, it definitely didn't have a good affect on my DCs (they are past school age now), but were much happier at uni. You say he is interested in college - you should definitely pick up on that an go with him to open days, etc.

Can I also recommend going on the FB page parenting mental health - there are so many families there in similar cicumstances who will be able to offer advice. It's a charity as well as a FB community and they run courses for parents as well.

Good luck!

AmIEnough · 05/11/2024 07:34

sosaad · 28/10/2024 19:29

Look up PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance). It is not recognised by all LAs, but I have known a number of young people who seem to be somewhat like your son with respect to behaviours and are demand-avoidant.

PDA Society – Pathological Demand Avoidance

PDA is also an ADHD trait. Both myself and my have it. I must say, going to the personal hygiene thing, whereas I have OCD and so am completely on the other end of the scale my daughter’s personal hygiene is questionable to say the least. She does shower and clean her teeth but I noticed often she doesn’t smell great and her teeth often look covered in plaque and her hair is often greasy so she definitely doesn’t take care of herself as most others would even though she’s almost 30 now. I wonder how your son would respond if you discussed the possibility that he may be Neurodivergent? Do you think he would see this as a personal attack?

AmIEnough · 05/11/2024 07:22

You say you started homeschooling him and I guess that was during Covid? I wonder if it’s a mental health issue triggered by the life we were all forced into during Covid or perhaps he is ND? This kind of thing is very common in people with autism and ADHD. It’s a pity he doesn’t have any friends who are likely to influence him more positively as they do generally tend to listen to their friends more closely than their parents at that age. You might find it’s just a phase and that one day he’ll just snap out of it but in the meantime I think you need to try and insist on certain personal hygiene routines and withhold privileges if he doesn’t commit as this affects the whole family. And you need to make it clear that insisting on this from a place of love and care and best interests at heart. I wish you all the best. X

LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 18:38

footballfan1963 · 03/11/2024 14:10

@LoveAlways1 nice to read your update and glad you’ve found some strategies that work for your ds.

Im also struggling with my 17 year old dd but she won’t even step foot in a doctor’s surgery (even for physical health problems) or won’t accept any help at all.

Yoire not alone.

Thank you, your reply means a lot. Just to know we are not alone makes a difference doesn’t it? 🌹🤍

I hear you with their unwillingness to accept help. It’s a tough thing to accept as our number one job has always been to keep them healthy hasn’t it. It’s frustrating. Probably for them as well as us as I’m not sure they can entirely help it - hormones flying about, trying to figure themselves out, who they are, etc. I remember feeling all sorts when I was a teenager. I never really felt comfortable in my own skin. Then in my early twenties I found my confidence and things changed for the better.

I understand how you’re feeling. Please know that if you ever want to message me I’ll always listen. I’ll never judge. You’re not alone either 🌹

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 18:28

Bluemonkey2029 · 28/10/2024 21:57

Op you don't come across passive aggressive or defensive to me. Just a concerned mum frustrated with judgy comments. I don't think this is because of the home schooling but would suggest looking into online counselling as a starting point. With some of them you can just text the therapist. Would he be open to that?

Thank you, I appreciate that. I’m really not passive aggressive or any of the things a lot of the posters are saying. But I understand that people perspectives are their own and can often be mistaken when reading communication online.

We have made positive steps forward over the last week.

Re a Therapist - I believe in therapy, for everyone to be honest - I don’t think there needs to necessarily be a concern to have therapy, I think it can help everybody with all areas of their lives. I’ve talked with my son about it before and he’s not interested. I will talk about it again, but getting a 16 year old to talk to their parents about anything below the surface can often be hard enough (luckily we do have a good level of open communication within our family) let alone getting them to travel to talk to a stranger 🫣 hopefully one day he’ll be more open to the idea.

Thank you for your message xx

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footballfan1963 · 03/11/2024 14:10

@LoveAlways1 nice to read your update and glad you’ve found some strategies that work for your ds.

Im also struggling with my 17 year old dd but she won’t even step foot in a doctor’s surgery (even for physical health problems) or won’t accept any help at all.

Yoire not alone.

LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:42

Hypermedi · 30/10/2024 20:16

True. I did report for being a troll because it was all so odd. But I didnt hear back from MN so I stand corrected I guess. Either way I feel for her son and I hope he can produce a life for himself one day.

Hi - I am here - I can read what you are writing about me. (Just letting you know).

I have no idea why you thought that a concerned mother who clearly cares about her child, reaching out for advice from fellow loving mums, made me odd and a potential troll 🤷‍♀️

Please also know that our son does have a life. We love him unconditionally. He laughs and socialises every day. He may not fit your idea of living the perfect life but that really is all it is ~ your idea.

This past week has been a positive one for us.

Sadly, your responses have been unkind, judgemental and hostile. I don’t know why you felt you had to be that way, but thats ok. That’s about you. Not about us, but perhaps in future you could consider your words more carefully and choose to be kind. That way you may actually help people rather than make them feel like there is something wrong with them.

Wishing you well x

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:34

Iwantabrightsunnyday · 30/10/2024 20:14

She and her husband are a bit autistic perhaps, she mentioning she is a fan of researching and adamantly believes he is not autistic....I mean ...many people who don't want to have diagnosis for their children may be say this thing

Hi - thanks for joining in.

Please can you let me know where I have said that I adamantly believe my son is not autistic? and when I said I didn’t want a diagnosis for my child?

I’d also be interested to know why and how you came to the conclusion that me and my partner (not husband) are a bit autistic?

Thanks x

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:18

MrsPositivity1 · 30/10/2024 00:05

@LoveAlways1 I don't have anything more to add than already has been suggested but I do want to say you sound like a really lovely mum xx

Aww thank you 🥲 that’s a lovely thing to say x

Things are looking up ~ there’s been steps forward over the last week x

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:16

Sakuem · 30/10/2024 22:35

I relate to this too. There are quite a few people who are only being diagnosed as adults because they didn't show signs in their childhood, high-functioning autism.
The lack of hygiene, teeth brushing, not wanting to go out / socialise outside, craving only junk foods, sounds so relatable. ASD / ADHD.
I suppose it couldn't hurt to ask for a referral / assessment...?
My psychologist has recommended a book by an autistic author called Donna Williams 'Inside out of autism'.
I've recently read a library book (approx 80 pages) aimed at teens, called 'M is for Autism' a story about a teenage girl and how she sees the world around her and some parts from her mother's point of view too. I found it interesting, so lent it to my Mum to read, and she read it to my Dad too.

If you say that being strict with him makes him shy away even worse, then I think a softer approach might be better. But, you're already sitting down calmly and communicating openly with him, then I'm not sure what else to suggest, sorry.

Hey, it’s ok, definitely no need to apologise ~ thank you for sharing what you have, it is useful, so thank you.

I will check both of those that books out xx

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:14

Sakuem · 30/10/2024 22:42

Sounds like a male version of me as a teen.

I can't tell you a timeframe, but it does get better.

Sending virtual hugs.
xx

Thank you, I appreciate your kind reply x

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:13

cornflakecrunchie · 03/11/2024 12:07

Bless you, @LoveAlways1
Delighted to hear your news! I always find love & affection goes a long way - hard sometimes not to question / criticise - we're only human after all, but it does work! Hugs.

Thank you ☺️ xx

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:12

Trinity69 · 30/10/2024 19:14

OP, have you tried body doubling? Not ideal for the shower at his age but my son will only brush his teeth if I brush mine at the same time. Also with the shower, I have to turn it on for him to ensure the water has got warm and the room is a little steamy. You’ll get through this, it just takes time and thinking outside of the box!

Hi, thank you for your reply.

When he very first started not brushing his teeth daily, I tried saying “Let’s brush together”. I tried that for a while. He wasn’t interested in that though unfortunately. He has started brushing his teeth every day now. Not twice a day but once a day. Things are getting better.

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:10

Rainb0wThund3r · 31/10/2024 14:26

Hi sorry you're getting horrible messages. I f(41) was like this, still am sometimes. I have either adhd or ptsd caused by trauma. I do not like being told what to do, I don't socialise much in person, i get overwhelmed easily. But have a few great friends, we speak on the phone or on line most days. I like my own company and now I have a child he comes first. He won't go without, but sometimes I won't shower for a week or barely get dressed I luckily work from home. But I am happy. I get worse when people pressure me or suggest I have to do things. It's like my brain shuts down and says don't tell me what to do. I can't explain it properly but I feel like I'm competing with my brain to get things done. I dont really have any advise other than look up trauma related ptsd for the bulling he had to deal with. This may help, the symptoms display like adhd or autism so there wouldn't have been any signs when he was younger. I wish the best for you all and hope he is happy.x

Hi, thank you for your kind message. It is appreciated x

Yes, some of the replies on here haven’t been kind, but I’m ok with that. I have learnt that everything that people say and do is about them. Not about the person they are saying or doing them to. So I wish them well and I pay attention to the unjudgemental, empathetic and helpful replies :-)

Thank you for sharing those things about yourself. I can relate in many ways. I have a number of physical health conditions (I went into hospital a couple years ago and left with a 7 page report of diagnosis made following mri’s blood tests etc), and my lifestyle changed quite a lot after that. I am now mostly in a wheelchair and it’s been a big adjustment. For all 3 of us. There are days when I struggle to find the energy to do things that a lot of people would find so simple. I’ve learnt to be ok with that and to be patient and kind to myself. It’s ok to not always be ok.

Sending you love and healing and please know that my inbox is always open to you xx

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cornflakecrunchie · 03/11/2024 12:07

Bless you, @LoveAlways1
Delighted to hear your news! I always find love & affection goes a long way - hard sometimes not to question / criticise - we're only human after all, but it does work! Hugs.

LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:02

Hypermedi · 30/10/2024 13:45

The 'sending love' thing was sending me.

Definitely oddness about this whole thread! I hope the son gets the help he needs.

To you and the person you’re having a conversation with on here - I will never stop sending love. I am a loving person and I wish everybody well.

The fact that you find me “odd” as you say, is absolutely fine with me. Your opinion of me is none of my business.

I hope you’re both ok and I send you both love :-) xx

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LoveAlways1 · 03/11/2024 12:00

Goodtogossip · 30/10/2024 15:59

You sound like you have a great relationship with your Son as he's open with you & shares interests with you ie singing. Have you sat him down & explained how worried you actually are about things? Let him know you love him regardless but feel he needs to start taking better care of himself as he may pay the price later on in life, health wise. You say you don't feel he's depressed & seems happy enough laughing with his online friends. Have you suggested he invites them over anytime? Could you be worrying unnecessarily because he's not doing what other teenage boys are doing? He might just be the type who prefers his own company or gets overwhelmed in groups or has no interest in what other teens are up to. As long as he's communicating with you & knows if there is something wrong he can talk to you, I think you should leave him to it & hopefully it'll be a phase & he'll grow in confidence & start going out more & socialising. I know it's easier said than done but please try not to worry too much & take care of yourself too.

Thank you. We have had some positive progress over the last few days. He asked to go to the doctors as he had a blocked ear and he showered, washed his hair, brushed his teeth and changed his clothes before we went out! great result at the doctors (we’ve been twice in the last week - once to diagnose a blocked ear and the second time to syringe).

I’ve also tried talking with him again and he didn’t respond negatively. It seems that the love and openness is making a difference. Onwards and upwards :-)

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Rainb0wThund3r · 31/10/2024 19:39

Septemberlily · 31/10/2024 17:48

Does that sound a bit like pda @Rainb0wThund3r?

It is 100% but I never used to be like this, just thought I would mention is as it may be the bullying that triggered something for him.

Septemberlily · 31/10/2024 17:48

Does that sound a bit like pda @Rainb0wThund3r?

Rainb0wThund3r · 31/10/2024 14:26

Hi sorry you're getting horrible messages. I f(41) was like this, still am sometimes. I have either adhd or ptsd caused by trauma. I do not like being told what to do, I don't socialise much in person, i get overwhelmed easily. But have a few great friends, we speak on the phone or on line most days. I like my own company and now I have a child he comes first. He won't go without, but sometimes I won't shower for a week or barely get dressed I luckily work from home. But I am happy. I get worse when people pressure me or suggest I have to do things. It's like my brain shuts down and says don't tell me what to do. I can't explain it properly but I feel like I'm competing with my brain to get things done. I dont really have any advise other than look up trauma related ptsd for the bulling he had to deal with. This may help, the symptoms display like adhd or autism so there wouldn't have been any signs when he was younger. I wish the best for you all and hope he is happy.x

Sakuem · 30/10/2024 22:42

LoveAlways1 · 28/10/2024 20:29

Singing. Music. Gaming. Cats.

Sounds like a male version of me as a teen.

I can't tell you a timeframe, but it does get better.

Sending virtual hugs.
xx

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