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To not want to pay off my mortgage?

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IProbablyAm2024 · 28/10/2024 09:44

My DH and I are very fortunate to potentially have a nest egg of about £50K. MIL has also offered to pay off the remaining £50K if we put it in our mortgage so we are "debt-free".

I am struggling with this for a few reasons:

  • mortgage is manageable and not a problem (although has increased)
  • our house is old so don't really want to "invest" in it - we might move
  • money is then trapped in the mortgage and unavailable
  • I think a lump sum/nest egg would be more use for large purchases and rainy day problems
  • it reassures me to know this nest egg is available for emergency medical or other expenses
  • I feel exposed knowing it's all in the mortgage
  • we'll be better off each month but only by the amount of the mortgage payment
  • what if we fritter it away each month?
  • I feel bad having my MIL pay off my mortgage- a failure as an adult and a parent (backstory alert)

Husband is on board with the plan and is excited to save £30k of mortgage interest over the life of the mortgage. I think you don't save what you might never pay.

Should we do it?

OP posts:
Alifemoreordinary123 · 28/10/2024 13:34

@Entertainmentcentral why wouldn’t they advise you do this? Surely, it’s contextual - if your interest rate is higher than the interest you can earn on savings, then you’d be better off. If it’s a marginal decision, then I’m sure many would make an emotional decision.

sonsmum · 28/10/2024 13:32

some cautionary advice: if MiL gives you 50k to help pay off the mortgage, is she likely to keep reminding you that 'she paid off your mortgage' ? Also, is it likely that she may have an increased sense of entitlement over the property, or perhaps even want to move in, in the future ('since she paid for part of it').
If she will only give you the 50k if you also use your 50k, this just isn't normal behaviour/thinking.

Xenia · 28/10/2024 13:26

YOu can either be mortgage free or not have the £50k. I cannot see how you would wisely turn down the money! I have given each of my 5 children the same sum for a first property. The gift was only for a property, not for anything else, not for an ISA, not for a sure fire winner bet on the stock market, not to go into savings for a rainy day - I was only prepared to give it to go into their first property. Obviously they all took it. Of course now they have it they can sell the house and spend the money on alcohol etc if they want (none of them has).

Take the money from the very very kind mother in law and reduce the mortgage by the sum she gives to you and hope it is done before later this week Labour might tax gifts! You have a very few days

usernamealreadytaken · 28/10/2024 13:25

Entertainmentcentral · 28/10/2024 09:46

A financial advisor would not advise you to pay off your mortgage. But for many people it is an emotional thing.

It's been a fair few years since I worked in FS, but most advisers at that time would go with "only retain debt if it costs less than the earnings on your savings" - so if savings interest rates are higher than debt (mortgage) interest rates, leave the savings, otherwise pay off the debt. Is that not the case any more @Entertainmentcentral

usernamealreadytaken · 28/10/2024 13:24

IProbablyAm2024 · 28/10/2024 11:51

I've also just realised that being mortgage free would make us richer in the long term, I wanted to use our nest egg for a special holiday with kids, like a safari or something.

With the nest egg in the mortgage, that won't be happening.

You've mentioned several times that you wouldn't be able to access the nest egg as it would be "in the mortgage", but I got the impression that if you accepted the £50k and combined with yours, you'd be mortgage-free? Would you still have a mortgage left to pay after? If not, then the nest egg isn't "in the mortgage", it's that you own your home outright. If you needed extra money in future, say, for a safari, you could take another small mortgage to cover that. You'd just be saving slightly less of the £30k interest saving. Alternatively, you could put away the £500+ each month that you'd save on mortgage payments, and use that for the holiday...

CaptainSeven · 28/10/2024 13:18

How long would it take you to save up the money you are being coerced into using?

Our mortgage and all associated costs (insurances etc) are £1,000 pcm. So if we were disciplined we could save £50,000 in less than 50 months (hoping for some interest!) but if we decided to have a bit more fun it would be longer.

I hate the stings in your behalf but having grown up with housing insecurity I'd accept the strings! I'd find a way to make them into pretty ribbons. 😆

TorroFerney · 28/10/2024 13:16

Can you take her £50 and just lie to her and say you paid it off. Or pay her £50k off then just dont pay your bit?

Even if it was well intentioned I personally would find it totally infantilising for an adult to do something that was my responsibility. If it was a nest egg for children that's different. Why is she bothered about you putting all your savings in?

bridgetreilly · 28/10/2024 13:12

Well, you would be £80k better off, so there’s that. Only you can decide whether that’s worth putting up with more ties to your in-laws. You can build up another nest egg again, relatively quickly since you won’t have mortgage payments.

dammit88 · 28/10/2024 13:03

IProbablyAm2024 · 28/10/2024 11:51

I've also just realised that being mortgage free would make us richer in the long term, I wanted to use our nest egg for a special holiday with kids, like a safari or something.

With the nest egg in the mortgage, that won't be happening.

With no mortgage to pay surely you could pretty quickly afford to do this? Unless your mortgage its tiny now.

Orangebadger · 28/10/2024 13:01

StillAtTheRestaurant · 28/10/2024 10:04

Don't be blackmailed. Do whatever you want with the initial £50k and tell your MIL thanks but no thanks.

Agree with this.
I know many people are saying pay off your mortgage but I would prioritise an emergency fund if you don't already have one with the money you already have and decline your MILs offer.

CandidHedgehog · 28/10/2024 12:54

Dandelionsarefree · 28/10/2024 12:34

What's the reason for this? Can't find any

At the moment, many, many people pay less interest on their mortgage than they can get on savings - even cash savings in the bank so no risk.

That means every mortgage overpayment instead of saving money loses that person money (more interest would have been paid on the savings than is saved on the mortgage).

Having said that, I paid off my mortgage anyway because of the emotional component to doing so. I just did it knowing it was costing me money.

Edited to say: also, leaving yourself with no savings runs the risk of having to take out a high interest loan in an emergency. Most FAs advise on having an emergency fund first.

GRex · 28/10/2024 12:50

If your financial considerations are that you have greater benefit from a safari than paying down the mortgage, then I can fully see why MIL is trying to put in some caution via her DS. Why should she give you £50k for you to blow it on another holiday, because after safari comes disneyland or diving or whatever other experience? All money has the same value, wherever you put it. If you lose a jobs or the boiler blows up, you can get credit with no mortgage owed but a big asset... the safari and mortgage don't help you out there. Universal credit will pay your bills and not your mortgage, did you even know that?

Lulubo1 · 28/10/2024 12:49

IProbablyAm2024 · 28/10/2024 09:54

It always comes with strings. And the strings often put me and my DH at odds. PILs are very selfish, self-centred and "help" us in ways that often don't help at all and make things worse. MIL giving us the money gives her more entitlement to our time and energy.

I can't really be specific as it could be outing but it's bad enough that a bit of me would rather go without. In the past, we have taken the money and the consequences and its never been painless.

As a person who has IL's who only give gifts with strings, no...don't accept it. It causes more arguments than it's worth. People won't understand it, that's fine. But when you are told "we did this for you...." and it's held over your head, it's hard to accept "gifts" from them. It's not a gift if it has strings

CandidHedgehog · 28/10/2024 12:47

MikeRafone · 28/10/2024 11:05

That's because all financial advisors are obsessed with pensions and nothing else

a FA isn't going to make any money from you paying off your mortgage, they will from selling you a pension or other goods

As previously stated, not if you go to a fee paid financial advisor.

If someone chooses to go to a financial advisor who makes money off particular advice, they are choosing to take the risk that the advisor will have ulterior motives (and mis-selling isn’t allowed so they’d have to have a dishonest advisor even then).

GettingStuffed · 28/10/2024 12:42

We are mortgage free and it's much easier living without it. If you sell your house with a mortgage you need to pay off the mortgage before you can move. Without you get all the proceeds less costs.

Doteycat · 28/10/2024 12:41

VioletCrawleyForever · 28/10/2024 12:30

You pay the mortgage off so that you are no longer paying interest.

You then save what you would have been paying into the mortgage and earn interest on it.

Madness to turn down a £50k gift.

Please get some proper financial advice because most of your listed reasons make no financial sense at all.

Theres more to life than money.
Not a hope would i take anything with strings attached.

Reallybadidea · 28/10/2024 12:38

Dandelionsarefree · 28/10/2024 12:34

What's the reason for this? Can't find any

Read the whole thread, lots of good reasons

Onlyonekenobe · 28/10/2024 12:35

Your financial reasoning is completely nonsensical and illogical and self-sabotaging. I really can't make head or tail of it.

You're right that nothing comes without strings attached from a woman like you paint your MIL to be. Only you can know if the price is worth paying.

Dandelionsarefree · 28/10/2024 12:34

Entertainmentcentral · 28/10/2024 09:46

A financial advisor would not advise you to pay off your mortgage. But for many people it is an emotional thing.

What's the reason for this? Can't find any

HowYouSpellingThat10 · 28/10/2024 12:33

You could also save some interest on your mortgage by overpaying.

What is your current interest rate? Lots of savings accounts over 4% (and many better).

I'd keep some ring fenced and earning interest. If you already have a 50k emergency pot then you don't really need monthly savings. So instead direct that to the mortgage. Most allow at least 10% overpayment per year but you need to check.

You also need to check there aren't penalties for early repayment.

I could pay off mine in full but it would cost me more than the interest saved (it's not high now). Instead I am overpaying so it will be done when the fix ends.

Google the money saving expert mortgage overpayment calculator. It lets you compare savings figures so you can have a sensible discussion with your husband armed with full figures.

RoyalCorgi · 28/10/2024 12:31

There seem to be two separate issues here. One is whether it makes financial sense to pay off the mortgage. The other is the OP's concern about being beholden to her MIL.

The answer to the first question is: yes, of course it does. I am puzzled by the people saying a financial adviser would say otherwise. My experience is that financial advisers always tell you to prioritise paying off your mortgage. It simply makes sound financial sense because of the interest it saves you over the years. Of course it doesn't tie you to the house, because it's just as easy to move from a house you've paid the mortgage on as one you haven't. If you suddenly feel the need to go on safari somewhere, you can always borrow against the value of the house.

It may be that the OP has it in mind that one day she might want to leave her husband and she likes the idea of having a sum of money in a bank account she can draw on. That's a different kettle of fish and one I can't help with.

On the question of being beholden to the MIL, well, only the OP can decide if it's worth accepting a gift that has emotional strings attached. But I think that's completely separate from the issue of whether that money goes on paying off the mortgage or something else.

Everanewbie · 28/10/2024 12:30

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 12:22

But she’s talking about blowing her emergency fund on a holiday. 🤷‍♀️

Which is her right as a grown up, with her own money. The point is that accepting £50k now means that she effectively gives up control of her finances and that everything needs MILs sign off. I would rather have £50k that is mine than £100k that someone else controls.

VioletCrawleyForever · 28/10/2024 12:30

You pay the mortgage off so that you are no longer paying interest.

You then save what you would have been paying into the mortgage and earn interest on it.

Madness to turn down a £50k gift.

Please get some proper financial advice because most of your listed reasons make no financial sense at all.

HowYouSpellingThat10 · 28/10/2024 12:26

So it's got nothing to do with paying off the mortgage?

The question is really 'should we accept 50k from MIL when it comes with strings'.

My answer to that would be different.

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 12:22

Everanewbie · 28/10/2024 12:20

It is vital OP has an emergency fund. But aside from that, this is as much of a discussion as to how much control of her own life is OP willing to sacrifice for financial benefit. Believe me, there aren't too many more financially literate than me.

But she’s talking about blowing her emergency fund on a holiday. 🤷‍♀️