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Partner wants to wait until 2025 to discuss this?!

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VioletW · 28/10/2024 00:38

We are long distance 3 hours apart in UK.

Lately he has been under a lot of pressure at work and has barely come to visit me when we planned to reciprocate visits. This was before he started the job.

That isn't to say we don't see each other - we've been on 3 short trips to other places in the last 1 1/2 months and i am at his place now for a week.

After I leave we won't see each other again until early December when he will stay with me for a week. So that means the whole of November we won't see each other. We're both busy but I won't know why he can't make the effort one weekend?

So today I told him I want to talk about this as I'd like him to visit me more in the new year. His response was to get very stressed and ask me to postpone the conversation until January! I said honestly I don't think I can do that. I need to be able to plan our time together in January and Feb. AIBU?

OP posts:
dreamer24 · 28/10/2024 11:40

Oh god if he's finishing his PhD it's no wonder he's got no time for you, OP. I was a recluse when my PhD thesis deadline was approaching. A very stressed recluse at that. No chance I'd have had the time to prioritise a relationship, especially a long distance one.

isthismylifenow · 28/10/2024 11:39

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:27

Part of the reason I'm so keen to talk in December is because in January my schedule changes for the worst. Then I will be busy and would like him to share his side of the travel to help me and ensure we can still meet.

I've done that for him quite a bit and feel we need to take turns when possible.

You don't seem terribly flexible either though OP.

Are you wanting someone to come along and says he is all in the wrong? As you can see from pp, most don't think this.

There just doesn't seem to be a lot of compromise happening from what you have said. Perhaps you should think of breaking things off, and then see where you are both are say, mid next year?

ATastingMenuButItsAllCrisps · 28/10/2024 11:39

You've mentioned 'LTB' but what is there to leave? He's just a guy you occasionally visit.
If you want a relationship and marriage you'd need to find a man who wants that too, in the same country as you.

user2848502016 · 28/10/2024 11:39

I don't think you want the same things, probably time to call it a day

SimonAnthony · 28/10/2024 11:38

VioletW · 28/10/2024 01:16

Well obviously I'd rather not jump to LTB.

I don't think he'd be taking me on all these trips if he wasn't into me? And spending time with my family when he visits at Christmas.

I do wish he was more keen to see me in November though. He seems to think the week in December will make up for it.

He's at the end of finishing a PhD as well as working so he is under a lot of pressure but it doesn't make me feel like a priority.

Edited

Let him finish the PhD then see how he is then. It would be different if he didn't have that to deal with, but since he does, you are being a bit selfish not wanting to wait till it's out of the way.

WillowTree33 · 28/10/2024 11:37

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:19

@Oblomov24 yes there's a big difference between a reassuring 'lets talk/plan our future in January once this hard part is over' versus looking annoyed and saying can we postpone this as though I'm being a nuisance

I deserve certain things from love and life too

Exactly this OP. Given the pressure he is under right now, I agree with others that waiting till January makes sense but it seems like your gut feeling is that you may be waiting months only to have a conversation that doesn’t give you any more reassurance or even ends the relationship.

If you do wait till January to discuss, I wonder if you could use the time in between to have a serious think about if he is the right person for you? It sounds like you are very settled and established where you are for example. That way it’s not “wasted” time and you’ll have the space to properly reflect on if this is a good relationship worth (both parties!) comprising for, or if it might have run its course and isn’t meeting your needs.

Mum5net · 28/10/2024 11:35

OP, I fully understand where you are coming from.
Don't have any conversations with him about your joint future.
Be you; be warm and chatty but treat him as someone who is FWB.
Put your emotions for him in a suspended universe until February.
Socially go ahead from today with your life as if your boyfriend has disappeared. Be as active as you would be in the aftermath of a break up. Make plans to see other people and go places which involve time away without him. Assume he is not around for Xmas.
If he is the right person he will come back looking for you and make an effort.
Also, just saying, if you do want to make it with him, the likelihood is that you will need to move from Scotland. He does not sound like someone who will suddenly prioritise family. His focus is exclusively him. Maybe that's why he is no longer married.

sometimesmovingforwards · 28/10/2024 11:34

coffeesaveslives · 28/10/2024 11:33

Honestly folks, stop wasting your time.

OP will abandon the thread like she does all the others, then come back and post another one again next week.

Edited

lol how annoying, no wonder her BF creates distance and space for himself.

sometimesmovingforwards · 28/10/2024 11:33

So just take control.
Either dump him and move on, or accept it and give him space.

coffeesaveslives · 28/10/2024 11:33

Honestly folks, stop wasting your time.

OP will abandon the thread like she does all the others, then come back and post another one again next week.

OolongTeaDrinker · 28/10/2024 11:33

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:19

@Oblomov24 yes there's a big difference between a reassuring 'lets talk/plan our future in January once this hard part is over' versus looking annoyed and saying can we postpone this as though I'm being a nuisance

I deserve certain things from love and life too

Sorry to be blunt, but if at this stage of his PhD you are making extra demands on his time and headspace, then you are being a bit of a nuisance. If he is handing in soon, then why are you trying to bring things to a head now? Seems like this might back-fire on you if you push it.

Saying you 'deserve' something from him sounds quite entitled, and if you are not supporting him in his final PhD push then that is something he won't ever forget and may start thinking you aren't the one for him after all; and you will have ruined a perfectly good relationship over not being able to bide your time for a couple of months.

blueshoes · 28/10/2024 11:32

SophiaCohle · 28/10/2024 11:21

You've posted before, haven't you? Last time was to do with your birthday iirc.

No one can tell you whether or not he loves you, how much, or if it will work out. But it's obvious that he's committed to his career and if you can't cope with the implications of that (distance, the fact that he isn't always as available as you'd like etc) then no one is forcing you to be in a relationship with him, least of all him. I think I'm right in saying he's autistic, so you may also be waiting a long time for a level of demonstrativeness that he's never going to deliver.

It is what it is. All you need to do is decide if it makes you feel happy. If not, call time. You want guarantees and timelines and to plan it all out in advance, including cohabiting and marriage, and the fact that he's not amenable to that kind of micromanagement is making you miserable (judging by how often you post about it).

My personal view is that very little in life is amenable to being mapped out in advance, so my heartfelt advice to you is to take a chill pill and enjoy the ride. But if you don't want to change your attitude, you're entitled not to. But in that case you should probably end it, because all you're doing as far as I can see is tying yourself up in knots wanting him to react differently from how he's ever going to.

Edited

He is autistic? If so, that is another massive drip feed!

Geez, OP, what answer do you want? Let's just say it so we can all go home.

WallaceinAnderland · 28/10/2024 11:31

You are more invested in this relationship than him.

He likes you, but not enough to put himself out.

If you want children don't waste any more fertile years on him cos he will drag his heels forever.

justasking111 · 28/10/2024 11:31

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:27

Part of the reason I'm so keen to talk in December is because in January my schedule changes for the worst. Then I will be busy and would like him to share his side of the travel to help me and ensure we can still meet.

I've done that for him quite a bit and feel we need to take turns when possible.

I see so it's okay for you to be busy with your job. But not him with his job and the final slog of a PhD.

Do you really believe that you'll find your prince charming and get pregnant in a short space of time if you leave him.

blueshoes · 28/10/2024 11:30

VioletW · 28/10/2024 10:15

@ClaireduLuney we are both in the UK.

I'm in Scotland, he's in England.

For me it's one thing if the PhD is a special case. If this is evidence of how he will always treat important topics (let's put it off to X date) when he knows it's affecting me emotionally, that's different. I'm not a priority no.

Edited

You will find out in January.

If you think the clock is ticking, you can start dating other people in the meantime. I imagine you are not in an exclusive relationship? Never good to put all your eggs in one basket before he puts a ring on it.

Calliopespa · 28/10/2024 11:27

SophiaCohle · 28/10/2024 11:21

You've posted before, haven't you? Last time was to do with your birthday iirc.

No one can tell you whether or not he loves you, how much, or if it will work out. But it's obvious that he's committed to his career and if you can't cope with the implications of that (distance, the fact that he isn't always as available as you'd like etc) then no one is forcing you to be in a relationship with him, least of all him. I think I'm right in saying he's autistic, so you may also be waiting a long time for a level of demonstrativeness that he's never going to deliver.

It is what it is. All you need to do is decide if it makes you feel happy. If not, call time. You want guarantees and timelines and to plan it all out in advance, including cohabiting and marriage, and the fact that he's not amenable to that kind of micromanagement is making you miserable (judging by how often you post about it).

My personal view is that very little in life is amenable to being mapped out in advance, so my heartfelt advice to you is to take a chill pill and enjoy the ride. But if you don't want to change your attitude, you're entitled not to. But in that case you should probably end it, because all you're doing as far as I can see is tying yourself up in knots wanting him to react differently from how he's ever going to.

Edited

I think this sums it up op.

More and more on MN I find threads that are essentially lamenting the fact that someone in their life isn’t responding to them as they would ideally have them do - not “ following the script.”

I understand the desire to have control in this way, but over the years I’ve learned that telling people how to behave towards you is a hollow victory. You either implode the relationship, force them to feign something insincere, or it eventually buckles under the strain of playing a role that isn’t natural to them. Find the people who already treat you in a way that makes you happy.

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:27

Part of the reason I'm so keen to talk in December is because in January my schedule changes for the worst. Then I will be busy and would like him to share his side of the travel to help me and ensure we can still meet.

I've done that for him quite a bit and feel we need to take turns when possible.

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He11oKitty · 28/10/2024 11:26

VioletW · 28/10/2024 01:16

Well obviously I'd rather not jump to LTB.

I don't think he'd be taking me on all these trips if he wasn't into me? And spending time with my family when he visits at Christmas.

I do wish he was more keen to see me in November though. He seems to think the week in December will make up for it.

He's at the end of finishing a PhD as well as working so he is under a lot of pressure but it doesn't make me feel like a priority.

Edited

Honestly this is a MASSIVE drip feed.

if he is at the end of his PhD, then he will be breathing, sleeping and dreaming of his thesis. He will need time and space to concentrate. Of course it makes sense now that he doesn’t have the mental capacity to focus on you right now! This isn’t a normal job, it’s the culmination of years of work and a huge mental load!

I have a PhD and honestly you don’t sound very supportive at all. My husband (then boyfriend) was my biggest champion at that time, he read through my thesis for me looking for typos, he gave me space, and when I submitted we went on holiday to celebrate! Why not focus on life post thesis submission?

SophiaCohle · 28/10/2024 11:21

You've posted before, haven't you? Last time was to do with your birthday iirc.

No one can tell you whether or not he loves you, how much, or if it will work out. But it's obvious that he's committed to his career and if you can't cope with the implications of that (distance, the fact that he isn't always as available as you'd like etc) then no one is forcing you to be in a relationship with him, least of all him. I think I'm right in saying he's autistic, so you may also be waiting a long time for a level of demonstrativeness that he's never going to deliver.

It is what it is. All you need to do is decide if it makes you feel happy. If not, call time. You want guarantees and timelines and to plan it all out in advance, including cohabiting and marriage, and the fact that he's not amenable to that kind of micromanagement is making you miserable (judging by how often you post about it).

My personal view is that very little in life is amenable to being mapped out in advance, so my heartfelt advice to you is to take a chill pill and enjoy the ride. But if you don't want to change your attitude, you're entitled not to. But in that case you should probably end it, because all you're doing as far as I can see is tying yourself up in knots wanting him to react differently from how he's ever going to.

Balloonhearts · 28/10/2024 11:20

I think I'd cut this one off. He's just not into you enough to make long distance work. It's hard even in committed relationships.

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:19

@Oblomov24 yes there's a big difference between a reassuring 'lets talk/plan our future in January once this hard part is over' versus looking annoyed and saying can we postpone this as though I'm being a nuisance

I deserve certain things from love and life too

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 28/10/2024 11:18

VioletW · 28/10/2024 01:16

Well obviously I'd rather not jump to LTB.

I don't think he'd be taking me on all these trips if he wasn't into me? And spending time with my family when he visits at Christmas.

I do wish he was more keen to see me in November though. He seems to think the week in December will make up for it.

He's at the end of finishing a PhD as well as working so he is under a lot of pressure but it doesn't make me feel like a priority.

Edited

What other reason can he have for not wanting to talk about it for months?

VioletW · 28/10/2024 11:17

I do care about the pressure he's under.

But sometimes it takes a toll being on the back burner. He's been doing the PhD ever since I've known him. I've frequently made concessions although he does make it up to me when he can.

I also need to think about my age, my bio clock and what is him just being reasonably busy versus putting off commitment. I'm not perfect and probably am not dealing with it perfectly.

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Oblomov24 · 28/10/2024 11:15

I agree with @gmgnts :

"OP's partner could surely give her a little bit of his time right now just to say yes, I want to be with you more next year and build a relationship that may involve having a family together. If he's not able to do even that, but wants to kick the can down the road until January, I would be questioning whether he'll ever be up for a long-term commitment."

Many of us have studied, or can grasp the pressure of a PhD. But if you can't take the time to have a break, then you've planned wrong. And it takes less than a minute to say to someone ' I'm in, totally in, just give me 2 months to finish this'. Would satisfy most. He hasn't. He can't read her emotionally.

Billydavey · 28/10/2024 11:12

isthismylifenow · 28/10/2024 10:49

I think the crux of the matter is that OP doesn't seem fully aware of the pressure that his PhD could be putting on him.

She didn't even mention it until an afterthought post.

She seems to think that life should just sail on merrily right now although he most likely doesn't have a head space to do this at the moment. Hence asking for some space. But OP doesn't seem to agree with him needing the space. She wants her resolve now.

She doesn't want to leave him, she doesn't seem keen to give him space either though.

Only OP knows the answer here.

This. She seems to either not understand what it’s like or not care (egged on by posters also falling into either of those two categories)