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To find male colleague's message odd?

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HorsesnCourses · 27/10/2024 15:18

Am on a CBT course, training to become a counsellor. We have a group chat for course members. A male course member offered to help with an aspect of the course I was struggling with.
I accepted his help, though what initially should have been 10 mins ended up being about an hour, with me trying to wrap it up numerous times. I thanked him for his help, and thought no more about it.

I continued to answer other members' queries or respond to messages on the course group chat over the coming days.

Two days later, out of nowehere, I receive a picture sent to me privately and not to our course group chat, of his and his wife's feet/shoes, with the rest of their bodies cut off (they were sat together), with a message saying his wife has stolen his trainers and is wearing them.

I found this bizarre....the kind of message ment for a friend, and assumed he would reply with a 'oops sorry, that wasn't meant for you' message, but none came. After two days I decided that I would have to reply with something generic, as I didn't want to seem like I was ignoring him or being rude, especially since I was going to see him again soon at a training day.

I just responded with 'Oh dear, hopefully you got them back'.

I found the picture so odd....it made me feel really uncomfortable. I can't imagine a world in which a colleague on a professional course thinks I want to start seeing pictures of him and his wife's shoes/feet, or start messaging about anything other than the course.

In the meantime, on our group chat, lots of us are sharing messages or reaching out about practising on each other (as we have to build up our skills through practising).

A couple of days later he messages me again, privately, and asks how my practising is going, and how many people I have managed to secure to practise on. I wait a couple of days again and then I send once more a really general message, flat in tone, just saying I am fine and building up my practising.

He then suggests I take him on as a practice client. I absolutely do not want to do this, especially since he sent the picture to me.

I told him I won't be practising on any other course members moving forwards, as I want to help others outside the course, and told him I am sure there are plenty of others on the course who would take him on (There are 25+ of us, so no need to ask me).

I feel really awkward about having to say no, and am worried about seeing him at our next training sessio
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My boyfriend says his behaviour is odd/inappropriate but nothing bad enough to warrant telling the course leader about. I agree he hasn't actually done anything wrong, but am I being unreasonable to think you shouldn't send a message like that to a female course member you don't know, and then to tell her to take you on as a client? Or am I overreacting?

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HorsesnCourses · 27/10/2024 18:28

Autumnalsun · 27/10/2024 16:01

I don’t think it’s weird at all.

Lots of people make friends through these sorts of courses.
Unfortunately, as we get older this is harder to do and it’s much more awkward.

I recently started a course and we’re all a bit in the awkward stage but I’ve had private messages off both female and male group members.
I’ve also had a couple of photos of things that aren’t anything to do with the course.

I can’t see how sending you a photo of him and his wife’s shoes is weird - surely he would send a photo when his wife isn’t in it.

Not every man is going to fancy you.

It's not about thinking someone fancies me- for goodness sake.
Not all women think men fancy us. It isn't about ego.

It's about someone pushing boundaries and not realising it is completely unnecessary to be messaging nonsense privately to someone who clearly is not interested in striking up a friendship. It is about overstepping a mark.

If he doesn't understand that, and is that tone deaf, imagine the issues hhe might run into once he qualifies in future? Especially when working with female clients?

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HorsesnCourses · 27/10/2024 18:16

Thanks everyone for your replies; much appreciated.

To those who are saying he is just trying to make friends...There is no need for him to try to be friends with me, we are on a course to become qualified, not to become buddies, so the picture is unnecessary. I have enough friends. We also have a group chat, so again, not necessary to post to me privately.

Posting feet pics doesn't have to signify foot fetish etc, it's just an odd picture to send to someone who you don't know- like forcing familiarity. We aren't friends, and as professionals on a course, he should be conscious that it could be perceived as inappropriate, especially if he wants to work with women in future. I don;t want a male member of the course messaging me privately, many women wouldn't. Some might, but I don't, and yet he has done it a few times now, when it is obvious I am not welcoming of it at all. Surely as a trainee cousellor he should be able to notice my tone is extremely cold and I take days to respond? Why persevere?

Anyway, back to the picture in question

My immediate reaction was one of discomfort... My stomach dropped...those of you who don't think it's that odd, think to yourself: if your boss or senior leader or some guy who started work last week and you've had one conversdation with texted you out of nowehere a pictre of his and his wife's feet, would you think; 'Oh how lovely, Steve is really trying to be my friend'??

Or would you be baffled and think: we are professional colleagues who aren't friends. This seems odd?

Also, ask yourself: if it isn't that odd, do you feel happy to take a picture of your and your partner's feet to send to Jamie in Accounting? Tomorrow? Bearing in mind you are only colleagues? Would you do that? I know I absolutely wouldn't.

Anyway, thanks all. Appreciate these responses!

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another79 · 27/10/2024 17:40

I don't think you should send someone from a group chat a message unless they have specifically given you their phone number. It's one of the things I hate about these groups. You are essentially giving people your phone number unwillingly.

Yes he is weird OP. I would ignore him in the private messages & only respond to him in the group.

Catandsquirrel · 27/10/2024 17:38

Autumnalsun · 27/10/2024 17:21

Some of these replies are absolutely bonkers!!

I hope none of these posters are on my course because I’m definitely going to be seen as a dirty old pervert who shouldn’t be practicing the profession I’m training for, simply because I privately messaged someone of the opposite sex.

He could absolutely be a dirty old pervert with a foot fetish, who only did this course as a way to get in close contact with vulnerable women 🙄

Or more likely, he’s just trying to make friends.

If you are uncomfortable with making friends with any of them or just this particular man, then either completely ignore the message or just say you only want to talk on the group chat.

You're being deliberately obtuse. The content is odd (a photo of own/ wife's body part) for an opening foray into being social. It is suggestive of boundary pushing. Also, the course is training to work with vulnerable people so he should be more careful.

A meme or a photo of his dog would be totally different.

OP, it could simply be misjudged but I would raise with the course leader. Ask her to say you don't want it made obvious who raised it, or to make a complaint, but to be aware so she can do some general work on boundary keeping if possible.

TheKhakiBiscuit · 27/10/2024 17:38

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Skyrainlight · 27/10/2024 17:24

It's nothing worth reporting but it's quite odd. Maybe he's just trying to be friendly and getting it wrong. I'd keep doing what you are doing, delayed flat replies.

Autumnalsun · 27/10/2024 17:21

Some of these replies are absolutely bonkers!!

I hope none of these posters are on my course because I’m definitely going to be seen as a dirty old pervert who shouldn’t be practicing the profession I’m training for, simply because I privately messaged someone of the opposite sex.

He could absolutely be a dirty old pervert with a foot fetish, who only did this course as a way to get in close contact with vulnerable women 🙄

Or more likely, he’s just trying to make friends.

If you are uncomfortable with making friends with any of them or just this particular man, then either completely ignore the message or just say you only want to talk on the group chat.

SensibleSigma · 27/10/2024 17:13

Gosh. I’m amazed so many people don’t recognise this modus operandi.

It’s absolutely classic. Puts you on the wrong foot feeling obliged to pander to him, letting him further in that you should because he’s making you feel rude for backing away.

It’s the equivalent of the sales tactic where you put something into someone hand so they’ll find it hard to say know. Probing the boundaries to see where there’s a weakness.

And yes, tell the course leader- it probably isn’t just you. He needs to know that it’s inappropriate to private message women instead of using the group chat.

I had to complain about a chap being handsy last week. Not sexually, just left me feeling like a pet rabbit or a therapy dog. Totally inappropriate and unprofessional.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 27/10/2024 17:12

He’s more than odd.
He is fishing.
I would tell your tutor.

JustBrowsingTheWeb · 27/10/2024 17:06

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This.

MyHairIsCurly · 27/10/2024 17:06

It might be simply that he's trying to form connections and friendships. I see nothing remotely perv like in anything he's done and I'm super suspicious of pretty much everyone.

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 27/10/2024 17:05

Any of those things on its own (except the request to practice) could probably be dismissed as a mistake but all of them together definitely say he's pushing boundaries.

When you're on this sort of course boundaries should be set in stone. He either knows what he's doing it he's massively tone-deaf. Either does not bode well for potential clients.

SauviGone · 27/10/2024 17:05

“Hi Dick, I’d prefer it if you kept the messages to the group chat. Thanks”

And yes you should speak to the course tutor about this. A session or two on boundaries appears to be in order. You both seem to have an issue with them - yours especially, as you seem to have a problem shutting down something you feel uncomfortable with, which doesn’t bode well for when you’re dealing with real clients.

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Ilovelurchers · 27/10/2024 17:02

I do understand that it's a bit weird. He has chosen to include his wife in the jokey picture tho, so I would say he is more trying to make friends than staff anything romantic/sexual with you. (I could be wrong, of course).

While I see why he has crossed a line a little, to me there is nothing bad enough here to actually warrant reporting him to the course leader. You have wisely shut it down by responding fairly coldly and professionally - hopefully that will be the end of it.

If unsolicited private messages from him continue, at that point I would consider reporting it. But I think at this stage it would be excessive, as he hasn't done anything that bad.

Just stay alert. Hopefully it is resolved now and you don't hear anything more.

PsychoHotSauce · 27/10/2024 17:01

People here are so faux naive.

If he wants someone to practise on or "be" practised on, then put it in the fucking group chat.

"Just fyi I'm available 3 nights a week if anyone wants to practise on me"
"Would anyone have any time available next week? I need to brush up on xyz skills and happy to return the favour"

That is professional. He will be a terrible therapist if he doesn't understand these basic boundaries.

OP tell him to put a call out to the group. If he doesn't, or whines to you that he's got no responses and pushes you again, you need to approach the course leader.

Teaortea · 27/10/2024 16:58

Men like that enjoy making women feel uncomfortable, it's a power play.

He's doing enough to make you question yourself but not enough to easily put your finger on what he's doing wrong.

The evidence for that is in this thread, so many women defending him and questioning you as if you're the crazy one!

Shut him down definitively, no more dms or photos. He'll act all innocent but ignore him.

ShowmetheBotox · 27/10/2024 16:55

The picture involving his wife was a door opener. ‘Oh he has a wife he isn’t a pervert’

but in reality he is a dog and it’s an old tactic.

Dont reply to any of his messages going forward.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 27/10/2024 16:55

After two days I decided that I would have to reply with something generic, as I didn't want to seem like I was ignoring him or being rude

Why not? Being rude is an important life skill. You don't want this guy's attention, his attention is making you uncomfortable. A little bit of rudeness (and let's be fair, not replying to a message you didn't ask for can barely be classed as rude), might head off that attention before it escalated and a lot more rudeness is needed.

neonjumper · 27/10/2024 16:50

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

Very frightening that he is violating a group contract that I'm assuming the group has set up ... it would be the norm in counselling training .

He has no reason to send personal messsges .

This is a good test of your boundaries as a trainee counsellor . You should have relayed your discomfort immediately to him ... used immediacy.

Going forward you need stronger boundaries. If he private messages again even if it is course related you have a good opportunity to reinforce your boundaries... telling him that you want No private messages from him given the nature of the inappropriate message he sent you .

You do not need to tell him how this made you feel ( he's not your therapist ) . He knew exactly what he was doing . He is a walking red flag in therapy !

Teanbiscuits33 · 27/10/2024 16:47

Sounds like he’s got some kind of weird foot fetish to me! Either that or fancies you but is very socially awkward and is trying desperately to think of things to talk about with you and how to get your attention. He seems odd and if the messages continue, can you report it to the course leader? He seems creepy and shouldn’t be training as a therapist. As pp said, don’t respond to any messages sent outside of the group chat either.

AgileGreenSeal · 27/10/2024 16:47

Yalta · 27/10/2024 16:01

Think I would have posted the picture in the group chat and look what A just sent me, how funny.

Then just kept everything he said posted to the group chat and answered him in the group chat

THIS

5128gap · 27/10/2024 16:46

The shoe thing is odd. I can't read the meaning of that as it's not the usual angle men who want to progress to impropriety go for. He's definitely up to something where you're concerned. Prolonging the help, asking you to practise on him ...maybe he's just an odd 'un. Personally I don't see anything requiring reporting provided it doesn't escalate. You've handled him perefectly so far.

SpiggingBelgium · 27/10/2024 16:44

haven't RTFT

It’s only three pages long!

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