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To find male colleague's message odd?

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HorsesnCourses · 27/10/2024 15:18

Am on a CBT course, training to become a counsellor. We have a group chat for course members. A male course member offered to help with an aspect of the course I was struggling with.
I accepted his help, though what initially should have been 10 mins ended up being about an hour, with me trying to wrap it up numerous times. I thanked him for his help, and thought no more about it.

I continued to answer other members' queries or respond to messages on the course group chat over the coming days.

Two days later, out of nowehere, I receive a picture sent to me privately and not to our course group chat, of his and his wife's feet/shoes, with the rest of their bodies cut off (they were sat together), with a message saying his wife has stolen his trainers and is wearing them.

I found this bizarre....the kind of message ment for a friend, and assumed he would reply with a 'oops sorry, that wasn't meant for you' message, but none came. After two days I decided that I would have to reply with something generic, as I didn't want to seem like I was ignoring him or being rude, especially since I was going to see him again soon at a training day.

I just responded with 'Oh dear, hopefully you got them back'.

I found the picture so odd....it made me feel really uncomfortable. I can't imagine a world in which a colleague on a professional course thinks I want to start seeing pictures of him and his wife's shoes/feet, or start messaging about anything other than the course.

In the meantime, on our group chat, lots of us are sharing messages or reaching out about practising on each other (as we have to build up our skills through practising).

A couple of days later he messages me again, privately, and asks how my practising is going, and how many people I have managed to secure to practise on. I wait a couple of days again and then I send once more a really general message, flat in tone, just saying I am fine and building up my practising.

He then suggests I take him on as a practice client. I absolutely do not want to do this, especially since he sent the picture to me.

I told him I won't be practising on any other course members moving forwards, as I want to help others outside the course, and told him I am sure there are plenty of others on the course who would take him on (There are 25+ of us, so no need to ask me).

I feel really awkward about having to say no, and am worried about seeing him at our next training sessio
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My boyfriend says his behaviour is odd/inappropriate but nothing bad enough to warrant telling the course leader about. I agree he hasn't actually done anything wrong, but am I being unreasonable to think you shouldn't send a message like that to a female course member you don't know, and then to tell her to take you on as a client? Or am I overreacting?

OP posts:
JLou08 · 31/10/2024 19:39

I don't see any issue at all. I would advise against reporting it because it may not go down well at all, there is nothing inappropriate in the messages so it may raise concerns about you more than him.
He might feel you have built a friendship, which really isn't an unusual to happen during a course. If something similar happened to you with an actual clinet you would be expected to set boundaries yourself, not report them. If you don't want to be friends you could just tell him that you would rather not message each other outside of the group chat.

Naddd · 31/10/2024 19:32

Stop replying.
I had similar nothing inappropriate but just odd. Never replied when I still got the odd message blocked

PinkBlouse · 31/10/2024 14:36

Thelnebriati · 29/10/2024 11:47

His first test of OP's boundaries was the 10 minute meeting that he dragged out for an hour while she tried to politely end it.

Absolutely. I’ve always admired my therapists’ ability to tactfully draw a session to a close, especially when it can involve stepping back from some traumatic stuff, and leaving the client in a place where they can go and continue their day, and don’t feel abandoned with difficult thoughts. For sure, maintaining boundaries, and ending a session on time, even with a reluctant, difficult client who keeps talking, is a key skill.

wellIguessitwouldberice · 31/10/2024 13:59

He is trying to connect with you. Either as a friend or - who knows- as something more. Many people seek to make friends on a training course, it’s not weird to want to do that. You’re entitled to not want to. And there is zero obligation to. But to immediately conclude he is predatory or inappropriate is unfair.

You could deal with his unwanted approach in a clear, mature and sensitive way. Just because he is a counselling student does not mean he can’t try to make friends.

Sodonewithgrey · 31/10/2024 13:22

It sounds odd, but I wonder if he's messaging other students on the programme? and part of what you're worrying about is based on an assumption that he's only messaging you, at least about the practise sessions anyway? The feet/shoes thing is odd but might have been meant as an ice breaker - kind of a look I'm married I'm not a threat, here's an innocuous picture of me and my wife, can we mesage outside the group type of thing. To see if you'd respond ....

In any event, you could just delete his private messages or tell him directly that you'd prefer to keep to the group chat instead of DM'ing. That it's important with what you're both training for, you can set boundaries around professional relationships

Pinkladymel · 31/10/2024 13:18

A huge part of becoming a counsellor is congruence and you can't form a deep connection with a client if you're not able to be congruent yourself. It might be uncomfortable but you have to express your autonomy to this classmate, which is that you prefer to keep all messages professional and to the main chat.

It's also worth having a little word with the tutor. I had an issue and because noone was open, noone knew that actually he had been messaging multiple women and making them uncomfortable. See your tutor as your supervisor and use it as good practice for your career ahead.

Good luck in your studies. It's an amazing career path to take :)

Thelnebriati · 29/10/2024 11:47

His first test of OP's boundaries was the 10 minute meeting that he dragged out for an hour while she tried to politely end it.

AmyDudley · 29/10/2024 11:31

My first thought was he's a foot fetishist and he was testing you out, it was also my 2nd and 3rd thought.

He's being weird, and giving off major creepy vibes. If he's not a fetishist then he's a person without a good sense of what is an appropriate way to communicate with colleagues, and if you are that socially inept you are likely to say things that could be very upsetting for a vulnerable person.

He's made you feel awkward, liklihood is that he often makes people feel awkward. I'd shut him down firmly, don't answer any private messages and if he questions it say you will only be responding to group chats.

Goodtogossip · 29/10/2024 11:08

Could it be he's sent the message in error to you & not his friend who it was intended for & hadn't realised? Then when he received your reply has been embarrassed & though 'Shit I have to make amends' & has tried to be over friendly by asking you to practice on him so you don't think he's a sleaze

iolaus · 29/10/2024 10:04

I would have imagined, as you did, that it was sent to the wrong person - but that he hadn't noticed it was the wrong person until you replied then when you did he felt he couldn't say 'that wasn't meant for you - sorry'

Just ignore it and move on (and in the future if you reply to something like this then do it with a 'not sure this was meant for me, but I hope you get your shoes back'

SurelySmartie · 29/10/2024 09:58

I don’t think you needed to respond at all especially once you’d left it 2 days.

Brokeandold · 29/10/2024 09:43

I think you’re trusting your gut reaction, you’re not over reacting , he sounds like a creep
Ignore any messages from him , if he carries on , think about talking to your tutor,
his behaviour is very strange
If something doesn’t feel right , it usually isn’t right .
Good luck with your career, you’ll do well!

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PinkBlouse · 28/10/2024 23:26

Branleuse · 28/10/2024 22:47

He fancies you and has terrible social skills.
Cringe!
I think id completely ignore any private messages or odd comments and pointedly only reply to public and appropriate posts.

Yeah, sending someone a photo of your and your wife’s feet with the caption ‘My wife stole my trainers’ is a recognised seduction technique.

Branleuse · 28/10/2024 22:47

He fancies you and has terrible social skills.
Cringe!
I think id completely ignore any private messages or odd comments and pointedly only reply to public and appropriate posts.

AllyArty · 28/10/2024 22:36

His behaviour is very weird and you are slightly over thinking it.

Bowies · 28/10/2024 22:04

I would have responded “presume this wasn’t meant for me” especially as that’s what you originally thought. Maybe it actually wasn’t and he styled it out because of you responded as if he had. Who knows.

Your follow up message was fine, maintain a professional distance as you are. If he doesn’t take the hint, discuss with your supervisor.

MustWeDoThis · 28/10/2024 22:03

HorsesnCourses · 27/10/2024 15:18

Am on a CBT course, training to become a counsellor. We have a group chat for course members. A male course member offered to help with an aspect of the course I was struggling with.
I accepted his help, though what initially should have been 10 mins ended up being about an hour, with me trying to wrap it up numerous times. I thanked him for his help, and thought no more about it.

I continued to answer other members' queries or respond to messages on the course group chat over the coming days.

Two days later, out of nowehere, I receive a picture sent to me privately and not to our course group chat, of his and his wife's feet/shoes, with the rest of their bodies cut off (they were sat together), with a message saying his wife has stolen his trainers and is wearing them.

I found this bizarre....the kind of message ment for a friend, and assumed he would reply with a 'oops sorry, that wasn't meant for you' message, but none came. After two days I decided that I would have to reply with something generic, as I didn't want to seem like I was ignoring him or being rude, especially since I was going to see him again soon at a training day.

I just responded with 'Oh dear, hopefully you got them back'.

I found the picture so odd....it made me feel really uncomfortable. I can't imagine a world in which a colleague on a professional course thinks I want to start seeing pictures of him and his wife's shoes/feet, or start messaging about anything other than the course.

In the meantime, on our group chat, lots of us are sharing messages or reaching out about practising on each other (as we have to build up our skills through practising).

A couple of days later he messages me again, privately, and asks how my practising is going, and how many people I have managed to secure to practise on. I wait a couple of days again and then I send once more a really general message, flat in tone, just saying I am fine and building up my practising.

He then suggests I take him on as a practice client. I absolutely do not want to do this, especially since he sent the picture to me.

I told him I won't be practising on any other course members moving forwards, as I want to help others outside the course, and told him I am sure there are plenty of others on the course who would take him on (There are 25+ of us, so no need to ask me).

I feel really awkward about having to say no, and am worried about seeing him at our next training sessio
n.
My boyfriend says his behaviour is odd/inappropriate but nothing bad enough to warrant telling the course leader about. I agree he hasn't actually done anything wrong, but am I being unreasonable to think you shouldn't send a message like that to a female course member you don't know, and then to tell her to take you on as a client? Or am I overreacting?

Sounds like it was an accidental message. Ask him if it was meant for you.

ThistleTits · 28/10/2024 21:33

@HorsesnCourses tell him you'd prefer to keep messaging as part of the group and not dm to you. I don't think you are over thinking. On this course, there is an expectation of professional boundaries and he needs to be reminded of that. If he doesn't comply with the group messaging only, then take it further.

Lollipop81 · 28/10/2024 20:59

It doesn’t sound like a come on to me, but definitely a weird photo. I wouldn’t see the joke friend or no friend.
don’t be a people pleaser though, if someone makes you feel uncomfortable just come out with it and tell him you would prefer he doesn’t private message and keep it strictly professional on the group chat. If you don’t want to say outright just ignore his messages.

PinkBlouse · 28/10/2024 20:48

Thelnebriati · 28/10/2024 20:24

Counsellors are supposed to meet standards of behaviour. Its not ok for them to be weird or creepy.

''4.1 You must keep high standards of personal conduct, as well as conduct in practice. You should be aware that poor conduct outside of your practice may affect someone’s confidence in you, your practice, or BABCP.''
https://babcp.com/Standards

Even if this guy were a fully-qualified counsellor accredited by the BACP, rather than a trainee talking to a fellow-trainee, I don’t think sending a colleague a photo of two people’s feet and asking if she’d like him as a practice client contravenes any of the items in the code of behaviour.

Which is not to say it isn’t mildly odd, but from my sister who works in a group counselling situation and a friend who runs an accredited diploma in a specialist area of counselling for people who are already practicing counsellors, I can assure you that the way they relate to one another doesn’t always suggest flawless paragons of professionalism and compassion.

JMSA · 28/10/2024 20:29

I'm with you, OP. The trainers message is bloody weird. And bizarrely random, assuming you've never had feet related chat before!
Not sure I'd want him as my counsellor ...

VickyPollard25 · 28/10/2024 20:26

Don’t be polite. You don’t need to this man to like you. Don’t respond at all to messages like that. It’s weird and inappropriate. He doesn’t need to feel like he can keep sending you messages and photos. I agree that this is a warm up to a dick pic.

Thelnebriati · 28/10/2024 20:24

Counsellors are supposed to meet standards of behaviour. Its not ok for them to be weird or creepy.

''4.1 You must keep high standards of personal conduct, as well as conduct in practice. You should be aware that poor conduct outside of your practice may affect someone’s confidence in you, your practice, or BABCP.''
https://babcp.com/Standards

BABCP Standards of Conduct, Performance and Ethics

https://babcp.com/Standards

Jaehee · 28/10/2024 20:17

weirdoboelady · 28/10/2024 19:57

I would post this on the main board.

'It's come to my attention that one of the areas of self-development I should be working on is firmer boundaries. So I won't be accepting any further DMs on this board. Happy to continue interactions here on the main board.'

If you are particularly bold, you could add

'I suggest that others do the same, especially if anyone is feeling unsettled by unsolicited private messages.'

Please don't do this Confused