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Nervous/anxious/scared about the Autumn budget 2024

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Cartwrightandson · 26/10/2024 19:29

I know that we don't know any details. We have read or heard bits that might be incorrect or just plain wrong. I also know we won't know anything until Wednesday when Rachel Reeves publishes/announces the contents of the budget...

But what we do know...it's the first labour budget for over 14 years, we've had a conservative government, austerity, brexit, covid and cost of living/interest rate increase meaning our economy is not in a good place.

Our services/infrastructure haven't had much needed investment for a long time.
Councils are practically bankrupt, some already are. Schools, housing, NHS, social care and economy are all struggling..to remedy this requires money and this will need to come from higher taxes.

There's a 19 billion pound black hole and Labour have already removed the winter fuel allowance, showing they are willing do things that are unpopular or possibly controversial..the Labour manifesto said it wouldn't increase taxes, but now they are saying they have to.

They've already allocated money for Ukraine, teachers, train drivers, junior doctors, NHS staff ect

Keir said people who don't 'work' for their income (shares/savings/landlord income) aren't classed as working people and will be taxed..

Basically this budget is going to need to raise taxes to pay for investment in services. That much we do know. But where the cuts and the tax increase will be is unknown. I don't think anyone will be 'better off'...

Possibilities.. (note these are not absolute, I could be very wrong)

Inheritance tax changes
Fuel duty increase
Income tax increase
Social housing rent increase
Benefit cuts
No free universal prescription for over 60s
Change to tax free allowance
Removal of help to buy, right to buy and alterations to stamp duty
Pension age to increase
State pension to decrease?
Tuition fees to increase
Tax free pension allowance to be reduced
Isa/bond/shares/investments taxed

Who really knows...but I think the labour comms are possibly leaking information so that we are being drip fed so when the budget does happen we already know and are braced/prepared for it.

Or what is being leaked about the budget is really bad but when the budget happens we are relieved it wasn't as bad the leaks hinted at. But it is still painful but we are more accepting because it's not as bad as it could have been...if that makes sense.

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Superworm24 · 28/10/2024 16:30

TheyAllFloatDownHere · 28/10/2024 16:28

Change in pension tax. Rumours about limiting the amount you get as a tax free lump. Not sure how I feel about this, it would complete screw people over.

This one's been ruled out, afaik

Thank you! I was trying to list everything i had heard recently. The backlash would have been immense.

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 16:29

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 16:27

I think it would cost a lot to means test free prescriptions for the over 60s in England, cheaper to make them free to everyone of that age.

Prescriptions are free for everyone in Scotland and Wales regardless of age.

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It would make more sense to align free prescriptions with state pension age.

Greyrocked · 28/10/2024 16:29

I’m a low paid working parent married to another working parent. Both in charity sector. I’m worried that the increase in NI and minimum wage will mean we can’t afford childcare for our disabled child and we can’t afford for me not to work either. No one seems bothered about older children who need childcare and can’t go to standard after school clubs.

I voted to improve public services and end what seemed like decades of awful austerity but I’m worried we won’t see an end but rather and awful extension.

Wingingit11 · 28/10/2024 16:28

@KoalaCalledKevin did they? I missed that but thanks.
@PandoraSox - says it all

TheyAllFloatDownHere · 28/10/2024 16:28

Change in pension tax. Rumours about limiting the amount you get as a tax free lump. Not sure how I feel about this, it would complete screw people over.

This one's been ruled out, afaik

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 16:27

ExtraOnions · 28/10/2024 16:23

Universal free pensions for the over 60s .. my husband is 61, we have no mortgage, his Pension is £24k a year .. I earn £70k - why is he getting free prescriptions? My sister has £200k in the bank, and a big fat person .. free prescriptions- that needs sorting out

I think it would cost a lot to means test free prescriptions for the over 60s in England, cheaper to make them free to everyone of that age.

Prescriptions are free for everyone in Scotland and Wales regardless of age.

TheyAllFloatDownHere · 28/10/2024 16:26

MidnightPatrol · 28/10/2024 13:16

I think for your average person, the biggest impact will be an increase in employers NI contributions.

Because this will ultimately impact if you’re getting paid more next time you’re expecting a pay rise.

Agree - this is going to be the thing that hurts the average person the soonest.

I think tax personal allowance freezes are going to hurt the longest. They have already stagnated over the last decade, really.

LorettyTen · 28/10/2024 16:25

@AlbionLass
I agree, I know just what you mean

CurlewKate · 28/10/2024 16:25

@AlbionLass
One of the least satisfactory aspects of all this is the way Rachel Reeves and her colleagues seem to be enjoying all this. They are gloating.

That is such a daft thing to say.

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 16:24

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/10/2024 16:23

This trend of accusing anyone who has any issues with labour of being tories is incredibly tedious.

I think we can all admit that the tories have screwed us all into the ground, while still acknowledging that labour are no better than them. And they’re not. Already they’ve been at the centre of donations, one of their MP’s suspended for punching someone to the ground, Keir Starmer is the one whipping up a frenzy by telling the media how dreadful this is all going to be.

I didn’t vote for either of them, and the reality is that the majority of people who did, voted for them to get the tories out.

The @the tories did x@ is going to have a short shelf life. Labour bankrupted the country last time they were in power, but that didn’t stop us from taking issue with the tories and Austerity.

There basically isn’t a leader among the lot of them, and we need to acknowledge that the only people’s interests any government have in mind is their own.

Labour bankrupted the country last time they were in power, but that didn’t stop us from taking issue with the tories and Austerity

No Labour didn't bankrupt us.

Wellingtonspie · 28/10/2024 16:24

We really do need to look into rents as a whole. Private rents are totally out of control.

People bleat move cheaper. Ok so now the job tends to pay less. Move smaller. Ok but so is everyone else. Even in social housing. Try finding a one bedroom to rent.

HMOs are a tricky subject as it is. They remove family sized homes for what used to be whole house rents for just a room.

ExtraOnions · 28/10/2024 16:23

Universal free pensions for the over 60s .. my husband is 61, we have no mortgage, his Pension is £24k a year .. I earn £70k - why is he getting free prescriptions? My sister has £200k in the bank, and a big fat person .. free prescriptions- that needs sorting out

LBFseBrom · 28/10/2024 16:23

AlbionLass · 28/10/2024 09:43

One of the least satisfactory aspects of all this is the way Rachel Reeves and her colleagues seem to be enjoying all this. They are gloating.

I’ve worked hard to overcome the trauma of a challenging childhood with an alcoholic father. The engine that has driven me is the determination to ensure my children are protected and not exposed to the horrors I was. I’m no fat cat, I’ve worked incredibly hard. All we have we have earned. The prospect that a Labour government can change the rules at the end of the game and tarnish all of what I have done in my life makes me feel resentful and anxious.

I haven't seen any gloating.

They have an unenviable task.

People always moan about the budget, I've heard it all my life and I'm nearly 75. However life goes on, we manage.

I've never before come across anyone being scared of an upcoming budget.

What was upsetting in October last year was the huge increase in mortgages (a couple I know, early thirties, faced an increase of about £1,000 per month), and in fuel bills.

It's easier for me as a retired person, I realise that, but I never found budgets any more daunting than any other day of the year and I had plenty of periods where I was hard up when younger, not well off now.

NotOneOfTheInCrowd · 28/10/2024 16:23

Completelyjo · 28/10/2024 16:12

Fucking hell some many people have drank the tory cool aid.
Seriously all these people sitting here “terrified” that labour are going to come for them and their bloody 40k salary.
How these people convince themselves that the tories have their interests at heart is beyond me.
Were any of you quaking before a Tory budget?
Knock £7 a month off their income tax and people will really vote for anything even if they are objectively worse off at. the end of the month

This trend of accusing anyone who has any issues with labour of being tories is incredibly tedious.

I think we can all admit that the tories have screwed us all into the ground, while still acknowledging that labour are no better than them. And they’re not. Already they’ve been at the centre of donations, one of their MP’s suspended for punching someone to the ground, Keir Starmer is the one whipping up a frenzy by telling the media how dreadful this is all going to be.

I didn’t vote for either of them, and the reality is that the majority of people who did, voted for them to get the tories out.

The @the tories did x@ is going to have a short shelf life. Labour bankrupted the country last time they were in power, but that didn’t stop us from taking issue with the tories and Austerity.

There basically isn’t a leader among the lot of them, and we need to acknowledge that the only people’s interests any government have in mind is their own.

JaneEyreLaughing · 28/10/2024 16:23

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 16:20

MPs have to account for all their expenses claims. Have you been asleep since the scandal in 2009. If you want to see what she claimed for it’s all in the public domain.

What did she claim for? Hair dye? Shapeless jackets? How did she run up that bill?

Pumpkittenspice · 28/10/2024 16:21

valueyourself · 28/10/2024 15:14

@Cartwrightandson

They all seem entirely reasonable things to tax . Especially when you realise the the massively uneven distribution of wealth in this country .

I have a 'gold plated' pension
Savings
A good p/t job

I think people like me with the 'broader shoulders' absolutely should be taxed more . We got the good pensions , the free university... time for us to put something back into the public sector so that it's good for our grandchildren.. can't do that on beans . Time to pay up .

As a young person. THANK YOU

AquaPeer · 28/10/2024 16:21

Cartwrightandson · 26/10/2024 19:45

From what I've heard, social housing rents might be means tested and households with higher income might pay more. I could be wrong, 🤔 😔

Firstly absolutely not- no way will this happen and secondly this years social housing rent increase has already been decided, announced and applied

DancingLions · 28/10/2024 16:20

My SH rent is already nearly £900 a month. I'm on a swapper site and people with newer tenancies are paying up to £1200 a month, I've seen the odd one even higher. It's getting ridiculous.

The money it would cost to means test would mostly be a waste. Very few people will earn enough to pay more than those kind of sums. And the higher the rents keep going, the more people end up claiming part of their housing costs on UC instead of paying it all themselves from their wages.

Social housing won't actually be social housing for much longer the way things are going. It will only be for the unemployed. Then what incentive is there for them to get a job?

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 16:20

JaneEyreLaughing · 28/10/2024 16:17

If that is true, she should be forced to account for it.
What a prophet George Orwell was when he wrote, 'Animal Farm.'

MPs have to account for all their expenses claims. Have you been asleep since the scandal in 2009. If you want to see what she claimed for it’s all in the public domain.

Superworm24 · 28/10/2024 16:20

The OP is a little dramatic.

But what are we expecting?

Raising employer NI contributions. Not really sure how I feel about this one. I have really read up on how it will impact small/medium/large employers.

Increase in borrowing. I don't see what other option they had. I'm all for a small increase to hopefully stimulate the economy.

Changes to inheritance tax. Good, it only applies to a tiny proportion of the population and most of the wealth has not been earned.

Increase the budget for education. Brilliant. The children in this country are our future and I'd rather prioritise investing in them. I do think we need a big rethink on early years education.

Increase in spending for the NHS. Thepay rises were overdue. As a PP has said, I agree that the whole service needs restructuring.

Changes to the discounts available for buying a council house. Hopefully, i would scrap them altogether.

Changes to ISA allowance. This one would hit us as a family but it is incredibly generous.

Removing the tax exemption for private schools. I don't agree with this one. I think it's an easy win with many voters. I do worry about the implications of targeting one type of education and not others.

Freeze on tax thresholds. Were any of us expecting different!

Change in pension tax. Rumours about limiting the amount you get as a tax free lump. Not sure how I feel about this, it would complete screw people over. * *

Changes to CGT. Another one which could have implications for us. Again I think it's fair even if it screws us over.

What else have I missed?

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 16:19

JaneEyreLaughing · 28/10/2024 16:17

If that is true, she should be forced to account for it.
What a prophet George Orwell was when he wrote, 'Animal Farm.'

Were you asleep during the expenses scandal?

JaneEyreLaughing · 28/10/2024 16:19

Apart from their abilities!

JaneEyreLaughing · 28/10/2024 16:19

Ginmonkeyagain · 28/10/2024 15:55

@spanieleyes22 what exactly do you think is going to be proposed to adversely impact you enough to be "terrified"

Honestly all this fuss about a moderately centre left government!

They are far left. Nothing moderate about them.

Wellingtonspie · 28/10/2024 16:18

SurferRona · 28/10/2024 16:12

@Wellingtonspie NHS dentistry was only free for first few years of NHS. Has been a co-pay model since the 1950s. Most Patients pay a contribution to their NHS care, otherwise it’s billions of tax pounds which would need to be found.

edit- most patients co-pay, lots get free care or help with fees

Edited

It’s even finding an nhs dentist tbh which was actually where I went wrong. I was thinking of the private fees to even get looked at which can hinder a lot of people.so yes the small fee for a check up but make sure every single person has access to it.

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 16:18

KoalaCalledKevin · 28/10/2024 16:17

They've ruled out scrapping the single person council tax being scrapped

Aw, you spoilt the fun with facts!

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