Nervous/anxious/scared about the Autumn budget 2024

Thanks. I guess we will just have to see what is announced. It is what it is.

Do you think? I honestly don't think they will slash benefits for the disabled and ill. But we will see. My DH is on ESA and PIP so I do know how worrying it is

That's just a nonsense mantra, a bit like the trans women are women one.

No one believes that because it's not true.

Where so - called 'inclusion' harms women and children you most certainly do get to pick the bits you don't like. NHS policies that harm women and children do not have to be tax payer funded. Tax payers have the right to say no.

Do you really believe that the NHS should pander to a belief that some people are born wrong and that men who identify as trans should have more rights than women? And that tax payers should be funding this ideological belief?

What makes you think illegal migrants are costing the taxpayer millions a day?

Yes, I saw it. I just see it as cutting benefits and sending people on courses tbh.

XenoBitch, did you see this, published today? It doesn't seem as though they will be slashing disability benefits or imposing sanctions? But obviously I understand your worries.

www.gov.uk/government/news/chancellor-we-will-build-a-britain-where-those-who-can-work-will-work

They're the ones with the money. Have you not heard of the incentives for millionaires to move to Italy or Portugal, or Greece. Ten thousand high wealth individuals have already gone.

Again, inclusion is inclusion. You don’t get to pick the bits you like

I am worried about it. I am on UC in the LCWRA group. There is all this talk about getting the long term sick/disabled back to work. I don't think it will be with genuine support... it will be with sanctions.
And currently, there are more jobseekers than jobs anyway. If they chuck people like me onto jobseekers, there will be even more people going for those jobs. And I could only do NMW, and end up being topped up more than I am getting now anyway.

Really odd viewpoint. My DH has had several work abroad opportunities in his 40s and going into his 50s he will continue to, he is highly skilled. We haven't taken those up but never say never.

Who is talking about mortgaged workers on £40k leaving? No one has said that.

I am concerned that unless there is a sensible plan for economic growth there won't be incentives for businesses to trade in the UK where both small/ medium businesses and their owners are subject to high taxes. Hopefully Labour have a sensible plan for that. Without economic growth there isn't going to be enough money to support public services and an ageing population no matter how much you tax individuals.

Colour me surprised. If you voted Labour what did you expect?

All the employer usually has to do is show that they cannot find a local person with the skills for the job. So you are not going to get a visa to work in a shop, but anything remotely specialised and it very easy to move to the EU.

Working age people have even less chance of moving abroad than a boomer (who might at least be able to pay cash for an apartment in Spain😂) most countries only want young people (under 30) in professions or skill sets they have shortages of.

amazing how these hoards of people never actually bugger off. As someone said above, the middle aged mortgaged workers on £40k aren’t going to be part of any revolution, as much as they might want to.

*It’s not that difficult to move to the EU if you have skills people want.

Yea. But lots of the skills in EU countries so a lot easier to recruit them.*

Keep telling yourself that. In reality, if you work for an investment bank, financial services, professional services firm, or anything in tech, you can move anywhere at the drop of a hat. These firms have sponsorship visas everywhere. People are literally moving around the world on an ongoing basis. At the moment, many come back to the UK when they have kids, for schools etc. That is what may change.

'Working people' excludes a lot of younger people who work.

Why would you think non working person only means people who don't work? The Prime Minister doesn't.

Apologies edited because of an obvious typo.

Problem is everyone was sold the labour is the answer they will fix it. Rainbows and unicorns basically.

No we weren’t. Nobody with half a brain thought anything of the sort. It was obvious to anyone who was paying attention that the previous government was in the process of salting the ground before the election and that winning it was a poison chalice.

ROTFL at “moving”- where do these Middle Ages to elderly people reckon they’re going? No one wants a non working person in the last years of their lives in their country. Good luck with that visa application. What a load of 💩

Problem is everyone was sold the labour is the answer they will fix it. Rainbows and unicorns basically.

Now they are being told actually no. We are the same as before. I think that’s why people
are so anxious.

The whole better the devil you know. People knew what the tories where doing even if they where dodgy dealers. Where as labour was meant to be the saviour but one of the early
things they did was take away the payment to pensioners, they released loads of cons who where picked up in flashy cars with champers who many had committed much worse crimes than some of the rioters that have been locked up.

So people have gone oh fuck shit.

It’s not that difficult to move to the EU if you have skills people want.

Yea. But lots of the skills in EU countries so a lot easier to recruit them.

Just checked it was funded by the NHS trust, so presumably the taxpayer.

That should have been done a long time ago.

Normally if a charity is involved it would be mentioned in a press release, it wasn't. I haven't formally checked but I don't think so.

So you think the installation of a rainbow crossing at our local NHS hospital is a good use of tax payers money?

Are you sure it was taxpayers’ money? A charity paid for the one at my local hospital.

Oh and I clarified upthread that I don't mean getting rid of all inclusive policies just the ones that harm women and children and are based upon ideological beliefs rather than reality.

So you think the installation of a rainbow crossing at our local NHS hospital is a good use of tax payers money? You think the legal costs of defending the Darlington 5 nurses who were visited by West Streeting today will be a good use of tax payers money?

I mean that's on you.

But increasingly tax payers are going to query these things.

Millions are being spent on excluding women as a sex class to introduce so- called 'inclusive' language which reduces us to body parts and are excluding those who don't have English as their first language or people who have poor command of the English language for other reasons.

Women are 51% of the population and many women are tax payers who have the right to say we are not happy with our tax money being spent on things that harm us.

The ideologues won't like it of course, and there are plenty of them infiltrated into public services. I mean a woman who was raped on an NHS ward was told by staff that it couldn't have happened because they wouldn't deal in biological reality by admitting that a trans woman on the ward is male!

The NHS is a health service it's not there to fill an ideological role. It's also essential in the provision of health to know the sex of the patient because bodies are different. Astonished that as a supposed HCP you don't think that that is more important than the ideology.