Nervous/anxious/scared about the Autumn budget 2024

But they did talk about tax rises. Isn’t that what all the frothing is about?

It's the reality of polling and sentiment. The gap between these threads and that is bizarre at times.

I wish I had a pound for every party, over a lot of years, that had promised tough medicine today and happiness tomorrow,

I don’t know who Labour think they are kidding. 🙄

What a finish, same to you. That pre GE lack of outline of any tax rises is the issue.

If you look at polling you'll see liar is polling high for a reason. And personal ratings are plummeting.

That's down to their mistakes and the contrast between pre GE and post. You don't get to obfuscate about fully funded and then go full 'harsh light of fiscal reality' and 'pain' without public backlash. That's easy to get, many people are pissed off.

As for people getting annoyed at what is being said off mn, so what? It's not all great for Labour atm as much as people post otherwise.

I know. Infuriating, isn’t it? Maybe reading three newspapers with completely divergent views, listening to several podcasts and watching a number of different broadcast news outlets isn’t enough? I’m definitely not going to start reading The Mail though it might do my low blood pressure good!

I find it very annoying when posters say "look outside mumsnet and read commentary" over and over and OVER again.

It is insulting to suggest that everyone else only follows politics via mumsnet.

Grrr.

Yes. Their manifesto. Which said there wouldn’t be tax rises for PAYE at basic level or NI. It didn’t rule out anything else - in fact it indicated some tax changes. Why do you pretend they said they could do it with the figures in the last Tory budget? That’s just nonsense. You are brighter than this.

You're not correct on that, not sure where you've picked that up. If you look at Starmer's own words pre GE.

This manifesto is that plan. Fully costed, fully funded – built on a rock of fiscal responsibility.

It is clearly about their manifesto. That's their problem currently, that lie and hence the plummeting polls. If people look outside mn and read commentary it's easy to get a sense of why that is.

The budget hadn't even been thought of yet so not sure where you've got that from. It has taken nearly 4 months to put together which is longer than most.

You keep saying that. You also keep ignoring the fact that ‘fully funded’ means ‘fully funded in the budget’.

Current polling will also reflect the switch from pre GE 'fully funded, fully costed' to 'pain' and 'harsh light of fiscal reality' doom

Generally public sentiment has reacted to that initial lie so it's not surprising many are pissed off with them

Agreed. I think they absolutely would like them to lie. It’s like we’ve been lobotomised. When Hunt promised the cut to NI in the last budget, most economists scratched their heads in disbelief. Meanwhile we lapped it up and clamoured for tax cuts as well despite moaning about the state of the country. For an apparently educated nation, we are very deluded.
You can bet your bottom dollar that every thing this government does will be scrutinised to the nth degree. But the last 14 years will somehow be re fashioned into a golden age of prosperity.

I don’t think they should have lied, but think they really need to work on their communication. I don’t think anyone has ever expected the Budget to be sunshine or rainbows, but there was no need for KS to be quite so negative a couple of months ago - this is what really opened the door to so much unhelpful speculation.

So you’d rather they lied and produced a budget accordingly? It’s all sunshine and rainbows, the economy is booming and awash with money, tax cuts all round. Then what six months down the line?

Better than the party of lies, corruption, stick your head in the sand 🙄

Budget messaging has been shite. All doom & gloom. Suffer now but good times will come. Can’t predict the future as there might be another Covid/Ukraine so taxes might have to go up again blah blah blah

The party of misery

Agreed. Likewise the fallout of Brexshit, another elephant in the room.

Well yes. Why would he. His party caused it. Maybe the economy is in a mess, the infrastructure falling apart. Are Labour supposed to lie ?

People can see the reality with their own eyes. And obviously the Tories never banged on about New labour did they ?

There was almost certainly was angst and concern behind the scenes of Kwarteng's budgets - they just didn't publish it.

news.sky.com/story/amp/kwasi-kwarteng-was-warned-economy-worsened-significantly-but-went-ahead-with-mini-budget-12928466

Absolutely.

The PP was wondering why it didn’t cause the current levels of angst, and that was what my post was about.

Your post is neither here nor there.

He didn’t have time to. No risk assessment, no consultation with the OBR, no thinking, just a rushed out catastrophic budget that spooked the markets and which everyone with a mortgage is still paying for.

Probably because he didn’t bang on about the cold light of fiscal doom and misery.

Weird. Did Kwateng’s budget cause so much angst ? Pensioners literally lost millions because of the damage to the economy, mortgages shot up. It beggars belief the fear mongering. And then you’ve got the drone of certain notorious posters who really aren’t affected banging on about immigration. What a mess.

Why do people who bang on about how entitled they are to their opinions so often a) wrong as to facts b) smug comfy Tories?

Totally agree with the last bit. The cut off needs to be a lot higher.
As someone on just state pension less than 1k pcm will not get it.

@coffeeandteav obviously it's just someone's opinion but they believe they deliberately went for a vulnerable group to show financial powers that be that UK means business!!

I kmow pensioners that should never have had that fuel allowance, however I also know some right on that cusp who are worried because the cap has gone up as well.