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The Labour Party are bloody hypocrites

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prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 18:13

I think Angela rayner has got a nerve to start slashing the right to buy when she has profited from it, is she going to give the money back then that she pocketed from this scheme when she sold her house? I have always been a labour supporter and I am as working class as they come but I am so angry about this. I am not denying that the right to buy policy has its issues but it's just tinkering around the edges of the housing crisis and ignoring the real issues. I may be slightly emotional about this as I live in a one bedroomed council flat that I was planning on buying next year, my only hope of probably ever owning a property. Instead, if and when I choose to have children and I am overcrowded, they will now have to rehouse me themselves instead to a bigger property and I will now probably be a lifelong council tenant. Fabulous. Why are they targeting the people at the bottom? I can't support them anymore sadly.

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HettyMeg · 26/10/2024 20:52

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Proof for this ridiculous statement?

purplebeansprouts · 26/10/2024 20:52

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 18:26

I also now have a small lifetime ISA that I will never be able to use. It just all feels so bloody unfair. I've got a degree but can't even afford to have a child or buy a home, sorry just feeling sorry for myself.

Yes you can, you get to use it when you reach a certain age

Kdubs1981 · 26/10/2024 20:51

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 19:31

How would you be subsidising my house purchase?

Do you seriously not understand this concept?

sparemeatyre · 26/10/2024 20:50

Tholeonagain · 26/10/2024 20:45

they get as above £8.86 per week if their b & b is paid - for phone credit, toiletries, travel, clothes…

£49.18 - on a payment card - if they need to feed themselves too.

no one can feed themselves on £9 per week.

it’s all still very basic.

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It’s not enough, is it.

They should get more, for having got here, right?

Shecan · 26/10/2024 20:49

Where are you living? Where in the UK can a single person on 30k get a council flat all to themselves. Where I live people in your circumstances are either sharing a private rental, in a HMO, or living with parents, or maybe stretched to buying after staying with parents to save or if very lucky to have had family help.

Dontletthebedbugsbite2 · 26/10/2024 20:47

You've benefitted from council housing which probably clouds your view a bit. I am a private tenant & have been for 12 years - I contacted the council recently & was told for a home in my area there are over 8000 people waiting. For one council area. Because I am 'adequately housed' I am no priority & therefore stuck spending ££££ on a private let and hoping that my daughter can get through the next 6 years at school before I need to move/am evicted. The issue is the the majority of housing stock was sold off so there are very very limited homes available. I can't save for a deposit as my home is expensive to rent, I'm trapped here as my daughter is settled at school & I do like the area but it is outwith my reach to ever buy. I would honestly be on cloud 9 if I could have a council flat but I've more chance of winning the lottery. I wish I had benefitted from the right to buy scheme previously, but I hate that there's no housing left for people like me now. I'm glad they're stopping it.

Tholeonagain · 26/10/2024 20:45

sparemeatyre · 26/10/2024 20:40

How are people eating on £9 a week? ….. oh, google gov.uk explains

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.
Cash support
You’ll usually get £49.18 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.
If your accommodation provides your meals
You’ll get £8.86 for each person in your household instead.
If you’ve been refused asylum but you’re still eligible for support
You’ll be given:
somewhere to live
£49.18 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries (or £8.86 per person if your accommodation provides your meals)
You will not be given:
the payment card if you do not take the offer of somewhere to live
any money
Extra money for mothers and young children
You’ll get extra money to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child aged 3 or under. The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situationExtra payment per week
Pregnant mother
£5.25
Baby under 1 year old
£9.50
Child aged 1 to 3
£5.25
Maternity payment
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 11 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 months old.
Applying for the maternity grant
You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.
You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.
If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to Migrant Help.
Healthcare
You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You’ll also get:
free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses
Education
Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children may be able to get free school meals.

they get as above £8.86 per week if their b & b is paid - for phone credit, toiletries, travel, clothes…

£49.18 - on a payment card - if they need to feed themselves too.

no one can feed themselves on £9 per week.

it’s all still very basic.

TooBigForMyBoots · 26/10/2024 20:43

YAB beyond U @prestatynprlck.Shock
Have a word with yourself.Hmm

BanjoKnickers · 26/10/2024 20:43

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 20:31

I think a much bigger issue is people being allowed to stay in properties that are no longer suitable for them. My aunt lives in a four bedroomed council house in her 50's when her children are all in their 30's and moved out. She then gave her kids house deposits. It keeps the housing stock stagnant. My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

This is because all the fuckers in one-bedroom flats that she could downsized to have bought them at giveaway prices.

(How big was that flat you were planning to buy, OP? Grin)

Bushmillsbabe · 26/10/2024 20:41

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 20:31

I think a much bigger issue is people being allowed to stay in properties that are no longer suitable for them. My aunt lives in a four bedroomed council house in her 50's when her children are all in their 30's and moved out. She then gave her kids house deposits. It keeps the housing stock stagnant. My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

Can you just swop with your mum (not sure if thats allowed). Gives her a downsize and you a property can raise a family in.

sparemeatyre · 26/10/2024 20:40

Tholeonagain · 26/10/2024 20:31

very little this is true:

You would have to replace your passport with, say, a Sudanese or Syrian one meaning you would have had to escape severe danger in your home country to get here.
you may die on the journey over from Calais in the dodgy dinghy
you might get put up in a basic hotel whilst your asylum claim was heard, but you wouldn’t be allowed to work and would be entitled to around £9 per week from the state. People like this poster might surround your accommodation and heckle you, or worse.
you might get some basic healthcare if you need it, possibly provided by a (legal) immigrant given how many prop up the NHS. NHS dentistry is pretty hard for anyone to obtain nowadays.
you wouldn’t get anywhere near the top of the social housing list. If you are an able bodied adult, you might well end up street homeless after you obtain refugee status.

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How are people eating on £9 a week? ….. oh, google gov.uk explains

What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.
Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.
You cannot choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.
Cash support
You’ll usually get £49.18 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.
Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.
If your accommodation provides your meals
You’ll get £8.86 for each person in your household instead.
If you’ve been refused asylum but you’re still eligible for support
You’ll be given:
somewhere to live
£49.18 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries (or £8.86 per person if your accommodation provides your meals)
You will not be given:
the payment card if you do not take the offer of somewhere to live
any money
Extra money for mothers and young children
You’ll get extra money to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child aged 3 or under. The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situationExtra payment per week
Pregnant mother
£5.25
Baby under 1 year old
£9.50
Child aged 1 to 3
£5.25
Maternity payment
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 11 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 months old.
Applying for the maternity grant
You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.
You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.
If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to Migrant Help.
Healthcare
You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You’ll also get:
free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses
Education
Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children may be able to get free school meals.

Apply for free school meals

Check if your child can get free school meals - and find out how to apply on your local authority’s website.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-free-school-meals

newnamethanks · 26/10/2024 20:39

You should move to Vienna OP, a place where social housing is as commonplace as Tory whingers on MN. Then you wouldn't feel so deprived and upset that you may not get a handout to buy a house. There are many people in this country who'd be thrilled to be in your place with a secure tenancy. They can't find anywhere affordable, partly due to the majority of social housing having been sold to private buyers. Many of these formerly council-owned homes are now rented out at extortionate rents so that the renters cover the now owners mortgage. Do you think this is a good system for social cohesion? It is not.

Zonder · 26/10/2024 20:39

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 18:40

So it's not going to make an impact on housing stock for the next 50 years until I die, we need more house building right now.

I've got good news for you! You're going to be so happy when you read this.
https://inews.co.uk/news/housing/rachel-reeves-promises-build-council-housing-budget-3345414

Rachel Reeves promises £500m to build thousands of council homes in Budget

Reeves says Britain’s housing crisis has 'put the brakes on economic growth' and Labour is 'rebuilding Britain'

https://inews.co.uk/news/housing/rachel-reeves-promises-build-council-housing-budget-3345414

Bushmillsbabe · 26/10/2024 20:39

RTB should absolutely be stopped.
I have twice lived in ex council properties bought under RTB, and then rented out at extortionate amount. Our landlord happily boasted that he was a professional landlord, buying a RTB, transferring into another family members name, getting rehoused, and then bought that one and so on.

My grandma was offered RTB her council house for 40k about 20 years ago, after living in it for about 50 years. My mum and her 3 siblings offered to give her 10k each to buy it, but she was absolutely adamant that when she died it needed to go to someone who needs it rather than my mum and her siblings 'selling and making money from it' and should remain a council property - it had helped her when she was a struggling young mum and she hoped another young family in need would get it. And they did, my mum met them when visiting some old neighbours, and they described to my mum just how much it meant to them to get that house after ages in temporary housing.
Council properties should go yo those in highest need, not be a method to turn a profit.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2024 20:35

Labour certainly did a good job on tax rises

‘We were clear’ there’d be tax rises, yeh hardly. Anyone who said there would be got abuse. They were not clear and I hope the public gives them the hard time they deserve

sparemeatyre · 26/10/2024 20:32

Beezknees · 26/10/2024 20:13

The poster is claiming that it's a "council flat" but with a private landlord which isn't right and seems to think benefits will pay the rent forever, so it's either made up or they just don't understand how it works, either way they haven't done much research on the topic!

So what the right word?
There is no council housing available and the council funds you into a private flat. Is there another word for that?

You could under freedom of info, ask your council how many people are in private flats that exceed LHA rate. You can find out for yourself that they frequently fund private flats exceeding.

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 20:31

I think a much bigger issue is people being allowed to stay in properties that are no longer suitable for them. My aunt lives in a four bedroomed council house in her 50's when her children are all in their 30's and moved out. She then gave her kids house deposits. It keeps the housing stock stagnant. My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

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Catza · 26/10/2024 20:31

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 26/10/2024 20:25

How do you know they would sell for less than the build cost?

From the consultation paper on feasibility of RTB
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/57699/pdf/&ved=2ahUKEwjigvT946yJAxVsVEEAHbkIDHsQFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0DTpo7igCOq0qko3Ixkk78

Tholeonagain · 26/10/2024 20:31

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very little this is true:

You would have to replace your passport with, say, a Sudanese or Syrian one meaning you would have had to escape severe danger in your home country to get here.
you may die on the journey over from Calais in the dodgy dinghy
you might get put up in a basic hotel whilst your asylum claim was heard, but you wouldn’t be allowed to work and would be entitled to around £9 per week from the state. People like this poster might surround your accommodation and heckle you, or worse.
you might get some basic healthcare if you need it, possibly provided by a (legal) immigrant given how many prop up the NHS. NHS dentistry is pretty hard for anyone to obtain nowadays.
you wouldn’t get anywhere near the top of the social housing list. If you are an able bodied adult, you might well end up street homeless after you obtain refugee status.

Zanatdy · 26/10/2024 20:31

Right to buy is great for the people it benefits, but of course when not replacing that housing stock. Just because Angela Rayner benefited from the policy at one point doesn’t mean they can never amend the scheme. With so many homeless kids its right that changes are made. Sure people miss out, but those people private renting who can’t get social housing in the first place get sod all. So a reduced discount is better than the alternative.

VivX · 26/10/2024 20:31

Nevermind91 · 26/10/2024 19:21

To be fair to Labour, they aren't doing anything they haven't done before.
Stage 1: Hit those who have saved.
Stage 2: Hit business.
Stage 3: Sell off any national assets that people won't miss.
Stage 4: Run out of cash and lose election.
Stage 5: Complain like mad when the next administration makes cuts to services.

But rtb is precisely a case of "selling off national assets" Council houses are publicly owned assets.

Removing the rtb is the opposite of selling national assets, so by your own list, you should be in favour of abolishing rtb.

HPFA · 26/10/2024 20:28

edwinbear · 26/10/2024 20:02

Interesting seeing the younger generation, who haven’t lived and worked under a Labour government before, start to realise exactly what they voted for.

The younger generation largely can't access social housing, instead they watch all their hard earned money go to landlords. Most of them will be very happy to see the end of Right to Buy.

Bit of a derail, but I'm gobsmacked at the amount of landlord whining about a small amount of their earnings going to the government when their tenants are literally handing over most of their own hard earned to cash to them (the landlord) for doing little more than owning a pile of bricks.

Most of the money you give to the government does do good somewhere down the line, the NHS, education, social care.

sparemeatyre · 26/10/2024 20:27

PandoraSox · 26/10/2024 20:10

The council will be paying £412.86 per week tops for private rent. Hardly investment banker level. There is a ceiling on the housing benefit the council will pay. Have you not heard of the LHA?

Weekly LHA rate for October 2024
Central London BRMA

Shared Accommodation Rate:£190.97 per week
One Bedroom Rate:£331.39 per week
Two Bedrooms Rate:£412.86 per week
Three Bedrooms Rate:£497.10 per week
Four Bedrooms Rate:£704.22

I suspect you are telling fairy stories. Have a lovely evening!

So, what do they do if there is no housing available? You are living in expensive borough, and they need to find you a flat on private market???
They pay above & pay directly.

I also know of a disabled person on housing which far exceeds what you have listed.

Not lying.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 26/10/2024 20:25

Catza · 26/10/2024 18:34

But councils are selling the flat below what it costs to build it so there is no money in the kitty to replace the stock. Feel sorry for yourself all you like but many people with degrees are renting privately and still can't afford to buy or have a child. At least you have some respite with subsidised rent and can actually save more of a deposit for a flat/house. I would say this is an exceptionally fortunate position you are in.

How do you know they would sell for less than the build cost?

ilovesooty · 26/10/2024 20:22

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 18:48

My savings and earnings wouldn't allow buy anything.

That doesn't mean you should be able to buy a council property at a discount.

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