The Labour Party are bloody hypocrites

I wish we would move away from Labour v Tories when actually both were/are shockingly bad and corrupt. BOTH of them. I think people feel it a little more of Labour because they promised change but in fact were exactly the same and really don’t care what people think.

We are in a weird place of people not caring they are getting **ucked in the arse as long as it’s not the Tories doing it.

I am genuinely concerned about the future, there is a lot of civil unrest and the divide between mega rich and poor will only get bigger with no middle ground.

The Tories hid they were screwing us over where as Labour has ripped the plaster off and are quite blatant about doing it.

MPs conduct - especially on Twitter is shameful, embarrassing and unprofessional.

None of the parties we have are worthy. Absolutely none of them and we deserve better because WE pay their wages. The two major parties have fucked is over big time.

I didn’t vote this year because the outcome was always going to be the same. The country is turning in to a violent shit hole with MPs more concerned about votes than what’s actually good for the Uk. I hoping to move out of the Uk in the next 18 months.

But yes, all of them are bastards and they need sacking. Money grabbing, currupt frauds - all of them

Sorry to hear this.

I voted Labour and now bitterly regret it - although for other reasons of betrayal.

"I am not aware of any conservative MPs ever physically attacking their constituents"

Now there's a stirring slogan to get the voters behind them - at the moment it's probably the best they've got.

The same as those who didn't get a council property?

Another thing that concerns me though about a lack of right to buy is what do all the council tenants do in retirement? And what about parents of young families like me in the future when they have rented all their lives and either can't afford to retire or can’t afford to pay rent?

But I am not aware of any conservative MPs ever physically attacking their constituents.

Well Crispin Blunt was arrested (currently released under investigation I believe) for rape a few months ago. I don't know if it was a constituent who accused him though - is that part important?

In all fairness, he did lose the Tory whip over it.

Then there was Chris Pincher, who Johnson knew had been accused of groping but kept him on anyway. That's probably more damning in terms of the party's response (or lack of) to allegations of assault.

I'm not sure how this Labour MP punching someone shows any hypocrisy though. More general unpleasant thuggish-ness. I'm glad he's been suspended.

I'm so sorry, @Zonder. I got the names wrong. My last post was for @Wouldbedriver

@Zonder "But I am not aware of any conservative MPs ever physically attacking their constituents"

Very glad to hear it. Quite a lot of other inappropriate behaviour going on through. Not "physically attacking" is a pretty low bar!

Quite possibly not but there have been plenty of Tory MPs involved in various nefarious acts who the then government didn't rush to suspend. So you must be pleased with how this has been handled so far.

Today there was an article interviewing the daughter of David Ames MP, who was murdered by a Jihadi.

But I am not aware of any conservative MPs ever physically attacking their constituents.

I'm sure you're glad to hear that the Labour party acted with speed and suspended him. That makes a positive change after the previous government doesn't it?

Sorry, I only read the thread title!

Point stands though.

The theory was to bribe council house tenants to vote Conservative. Please let’s not pretend there was any element of social engineering other than that.

Well, yes obviously not - but what has that got to do with withdrawing the Right to Buy?

The original concept of RTB was sound to a point. Council estates generally had/have more antisocial behaviour, and the theory was that this was due to pretty much everyone renting and not feeling 'invested' in their area, and if they owned their property they would take better care of it and of their surrounding area, there would be a greater sense of commuinity and responsibility.
Unfortunately, like many positive plans, people took advantage of it to buy their property and then either sell it at profit, or rent it out at profit.
On top of that it reduced available council house stock and makes it harder for those in high need.
In reality they need to overhaul the whole council house system, people should get the property for a fixed term of for example 3-5 years, and then need to re prove eligibility. If they can then afford to private rent or buy, they should be asked to do this to free up properties for those in highest need. I work with disabled children, and the single biggest challenge we come up against is housing to meet their complex needs. In areas like London it's not possible to keep building more, so it should be prioritised for those with the highest need.

To think MPs should not punch their constituents in the face?

I can see why it's shit for some people if RTB is stopped. Of course I can. But I can also see that it's shot when there is no social housing available-because it's been taken in to private ownership and is no longer available for the people for whom it was intended.

I've got my own home now but lived for years in rented property. I've always thought it was a terrible policy.

I said it when I was in rented accommodation. It’s one of the most insane policies Thatcher came up with - and there are plenty to choose from - and a big factor in the housing crisis we have today. All as a way of bribing people to vote for her.

Because it’s so easy to say that (for example) RTB it’s a terrible policy when you are sitting cosy in your own home.

But why should you get a 50% discount on housing stock which collectively is supposed to be there for people who'll never be able to buy, and which you were presumably glad enough to secure the rental on yourself?
You wouldn't get it from a private landlord so why expect it from a social one?

Sorry, but this sounds very much like "the housing market's a mess and many more should be made available - except if it inconveniences ME"

Yes, some local authorities chose to sell council houses to tenants before RYB; also new town commissions sold houses at discounted rates. In some areas it was appropriate. RTB forced all local authorities to sell council houses to tenants at specified discounts whether appropriate or not. Not so much RTB as obligation to sell!

Why are you asking?

Yep Here is Sadiq Khan supporting your view

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13844765/Fury-Sadiq-Khan-suggests-prisoners-given-choice-housing-cut-reoffending.html

I’m a council tenant and have never agreed with the right to buy.