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The Labour Party are bloody hypocrites

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prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 18:13

I think Angela rayner has got a nerve to start slashing the right to buy when she has profited from it, is she going to give the money back then that she pocketed from this scheme when she sold her house? I have always been a labour supporter and I am as working class as they come but I am so angry about this. I am not denying that the right to buy policy has its issues but it's just tinkering around the edges of the housing crisis and ignoring the real issues. I may be slightly emotional about this as I live in a one bedroomed council flat that I was planning on buying next year, my only hope of probably ever owning a property. Instead, if and when I choose to have children and I am overcrowded, they will now have to rehouse me themselves instead to a bigger property and I will now probably be a lifelong council tenant. Fabulous. Why are they targeting the people at the bottom? I can't support them anymore sadly.

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AutumnLeaves24 · 17/11/2024 20:28

MandEmummy · 17/11/2024 19:49

She was on the lait for 6/7 years before she got offered a 1 bedroom flat? 100's of families would have been housed well before it was her turn.

Plus she literally said she was a student with part time hours when she was given her flat.

Either people don't understand how council housing works or are just jealous.

Why are you reviving an old thread the OP hadn't been back to?

plus, not being psychic & all I hadn't read posts she had not yet written. But on that point, she was incredibly lucky to get a council maisonette, just because she didn't want to live with her parents & now she's pissed off that she can't buy it at a ridiculous price? Entitled much?!

why in Gods name would I be jealous??

the OP was either goading or incredibly entitled, given she hadn't been back we'll never know which.

MandEmummy · 17/11/2024 19:49

AutumnLeaves24 · 26/10/2024 19:32

Like many other people, why not you?

how does a single woman, with no children, on £30,000 even qualify for council housing? Families are being (if they're 'lucky' ) housed in shared housing.

let alone RTB ay 50%???

She was on the lait for 6/7 years before she got offered a 1 bedroom flat? 100's of families would have been housed well before it was her turn.

Plus she literally said she was a student with part time hours when she was given her flat.

Either people don't understand how council housing works or are just jealous.

MandEmummy · 17/11/2024 19:41

Original poster, I totally agree with you, it's devastating. Put your application in tomorrow or the day after and you'd still be entitled to the current discount before the change. You'll be surprised about mortgage rates and how much you can borrow etc. If you earn £30k you could borrow up to around 100/120k. Speak to a broker and see your options. Please don't miss out just because you THINK you couldn't manage it. At least try, no harm in trying. Average amount of time to complete was 5/6 months before the budget change, now it will be at least double that, so you've got time.

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 23:08

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2024 22:10

Even without the legislation, is the price after a 50% discount enough to build a good quality replacement (council houses from the 1930s used to be known for being solidly built as the First World War brought the poor conditions many of the soldiers lived in to light)?

Well the income is certainly enough to build some. The profit margin on a property built for the commercial market is 20% so it would seem that four new homes could be built for every five sold, even taking that into account.

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2024 22:10

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 13:40

It’s not the price that’s the issue, up to now councils are constrained by legislation preventing them from replacing them.

Even without the legislation, is the price after a 50% discount enough to build a good quality replacement (council houses from the 1930s used to be known for being solidly built as the First World War brought the poor conditions many of the soldiers lived in to light)?

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 19:28

Thank you. It’s really unsavoury if even half of it’s correct.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/10/2024 18:59

Here you go, @Blossomtoes ... I'm not too sure about the source, but at least it seems reasonably well researched and the others are even worse:

https://www.the-londoner.co.uk/investigation-jas-athwal-childrens-home/

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 18:51

hazelnutvanillalatte · 28/10/2024 18:48

Just saw the expose on the Labour slum children's home landlord who also funnelled millions of pounds to his friend who was in charge of the homes. One party doesn't pretend to be decent, the other does, but acts the same :(

I’d like to read about that, what’s their name?

hazelnutvanillalatte · 28/10/2024 18:48

Just saw the expose on the Labour slum children's home landlord who also funnelled millions of pounds to his friend who was in charge of the homes. One party doesn't pretend to be decent, the other does, but acts the same :(

mizu · 28/10/2024 18:32

I don't agree with the right to buy either. It's social housing that should be there for those who need it.

Fwiw, I managed to buy a place without any other financial support. I was 45 years old and had saved for 7 years. I will not be 'moving up the ladder'. I have a very small place albeit in a lovely area and consider myself very lucky. Brought up 2 DDs here too.

LadyGrinningSoul8517 · 28/10/2024 18:21

Seriously?

Do you even know how lucky you are to be in social housing and you're complaining about potentially being in one lifelong?!

I'm sat waiting for a council house for me and my children, we were made homeless last year and still couldn't manage to get one in those desperate circumstances, and you're complaining that you can't easily take another council property off the market?

Jesus Christ, I can't actually say what I want to on here, but know I am so enraged with how bloody entitled you are being.
You have no idea how lucky you are!!

Boomer55 · 28/10/2024 18:20

Virtually every politician I remember has been a liar and a hypocrite. Nothing new.🙄

prestatynprlck · 28/10/2024 18:19

I am grateful and I know I am lucky but I don't have the beauty of choice over where I live and that's what I would really like.

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prestatynprlck · 28/10/2024 18:18

I would love nothing more than to be able to choose my own house in my own area and buy off the open market, 15 or 20 years ago I would have done and my salary would have got my a nice family home. If would make it a lot easier for me if I could and I wouldn't have to live here foreseeable future. Even with right to buy I would have been living here for at least the next 5 years until I could sell it and buy something bigger.

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BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 18:06

ShowmetheBotox · 28/10/2024 17:36

They were Labour Parliamentary candidates at the time. Choosing to look the other way in order to get voted in.

The splitting hairs is pathetic

I doubt it. Brabin replaced Jo Cox in 2016, she was still engaged in her theatrical career until then and it was the only seat she ever applied for. Anna Dixon wasn’t even selected until 2022 and was a high flying civil servant based in London prior to that. Nice try, no cigar.

ShowmetheBotox · 28/10/2024 17:36

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 16:28

Anna Dixon, John Grogan, Tracy Brabin who was the mayor of West Yorkshire plus many councillors refused to support an inquiry in to the Sexual Exploitation of young girls by grooming gangs.

Evidence? The timescales don’t work anyway. Dixon only got elected this year and Brabin in 2016.

They were Labour Parliamentary candidates at the time. Choosing to look the other way in order to get voted in.

The splitting hairs is pathetic

newnamethanks · 28/10/2024 16:32

It certainly wasn't as hard to get council accommodation years ago. That's because there was an adequate supply of housing. What happened? How did it become almost impossible for councils to carry out their statutory obligations re housing? Right to buy. So people bought. Councils not permitted to spend money from the sales on replacing lost housing stock. Result? Tent cities.

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 16:28

ShowmetheBotox · 28/10/2024 16:06

Anna Dixon, John Grogan, Tracy Brabin who was the mayor of West Yorkshire plus many councillors refused to support an inquiry in to the Sexual Exploitation of young girls by grooming gangs.

There you wanted evidence of MPs knowing and covering it up. They were told it was happening and they looked the other way.

Im not arguing this point anymore. They knew and allowed it to continue for votes.

Dont think that i think the Tories are better - I don’t they are just as bad. But im sick to the back teeth of people happy that it’s Labour fucking us over - just because it’s not the Tories. They are all a bunch of rancid, rotten apples.

Anna Dixon, John Grogan, Tracy Brabin who was the mayor of West Yorkshire plus many councillors refused to support an inquiry in to the Sexual Exploitation of young girls by grooming gangs.

Evidence? The timescales don’t work anyway. Dixon only got elected this year and Brabin in 2016.

ShowmetheBotox · 28/10/2024 16:06

PandoraSox · 28/10/2024 13:22

Saying that there is no evidence any MPs were involved in a cover up is not shameful.

Your post was shameful, good thing it was deleted.

Anna Dixon, John Grogan, Tracy Brabin who was the mayor of West Yorkshire plus many councillors refused to support an inquiry in to the Sexual Exploitation of young girls by grooming gangs.

There you wanted evidence of MPs knowing and covering it up. They were told it was happening and they looked the other way.

Im not arguing this point anymore. They knew and allowed it to continue for votes.

Dont think that i think the Tories are better - I don’t they are just as bad. But im sick to the back teeth of people happy that it’s Labour fucking us over - just because it’s not the Tories. They are all a bunch of rancid, rotten apples.

2dogsandabudgie · 28/10/2024 16:04

HappyTwo · 28/10/2024 15:56

I am curious as to how so many people in your family have been able to get council housing? I thought it was hard to get.

It wasn't as hard years ago. I'm 60 and I remember when I was late teens early 20s my local council used to have an "engaged couples" list. That's how one of my friends back then got a council flat.

HappyTwo · 28/10/2024 15:56

prestatynprlck · 26/10/2024 20:31

I think a much bigger issue is people being allowed to stay in properties that are no longer suitable for them. My aunt lives in a four bedroomed council house in her 50's when her children are all in their 30's and moved out. She then gave her kids house deposits. It keeps the housing stock stagnant. My mum lives in a three bedroomed council house and has asked to downsize and she has been told no.

I am curious as to how so many people in your family have been able to get council housing? I thought it was hard to get.

CurlewKate · 28/10/2024 13:53

@BIossomtoes "Rotherham was a shameful and appalling stain on this country’s history, particularly the council and police force which were both responsible"

Indeed. But as you say, there is no evidence that MPs were involved.

Letsbe · 28/10/2024 13:41

You are absolutely right someone should but up theses houses so there are no council one bed flats to rent.

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 13:40

DdraigGoch · 28/10/2024 13:38

It would be easier to build houses "right now" if councils sold council houses at a price that enabled them to commission replacements.

It’s not the price that’s the issue, up to now councils are constrained by legislation preventing them from replacing them.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 28/10/2024 13:40

BIossomtoes · 28/10/2024 09:26

Clearly it is defamation. That’s why she won her libel case.

She didn’t win a libel case because someone said she’d sent a tweet. She won the libel case because of a load of stuff that then followed. That might seem pedantic, but in the matter of law that’s quite an important distinction. There’s nothing defamatory or libellous about stating an undisputed (and easily verifiable) fact.

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