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When do you become middle class?

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ForMintUser · 26/10/2024 09:11

I was reading the “rich get richer” thread which made me think about something I have been wondering about, interested in other people’s opinions.

My parents came from working class, council house backgrounds, neither set of grandparents ever had much money, never owned a house.

Both parents left school with no qualifications, didn’t go on to further or higher education.

My father worked as a salesman, eventually got promoted to management and ended up working in senior management for a UK wide company.

I would say they were working class from birth but would probably be middle class now, jobs in management, home owners etc.

I would say I was raised middle class, there wasn’t a huge amount of money when we were children but certainly didn’t grow up in poverty, myself and siblings all went to university, have professional jobs.

I will say I recognise there is a lot of luck and timing in this (particularly in relation to house prices and the fact that my mother was able to be a SAHM because a family could live on one income then). I’m not a big believer in the idea that hard work always equals success, it does for some but not for others.

My question is, if they were born working class and are now middle class (happy to be corrected on that if people don’t agree) surely there needs to have been a point where you would say they had become middle class? So at what point do you become middle class?

OP posts:
Dobest · 26/10/2024 12:33

If you'd just like to see 'em try to grind you down, you're not middle class.

When do you become middle class?
LakieLady · 26/10/2024 12:32

Nitgel · 26/10/2024 09:12

When you enjoy the archers

Good grief, in that case I've been middle class since I was a wild 19 year old punk!

GreyCarpet · 26/10/2024 12:31

ExhaustedHousewife · 26/10/2024 12:27

Nope.University is free if your parents are on benefits.

No it's not...

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 12:27

I was in a philosophy meetup yesterday . We talk about a lot of different topics.

There was an Indian lady. And she was talking about the history of the Caste system in India.

An English man said "it's a disgusting system , India should be ashamed of itself".

The Indian woman said, "but isn't the class system in England the same?'

He agreed after she pointed it out. How people get abused and looked down on in England depending on what "class " they are in. That the "class system " in England causes segregation.

He wasn't able to see how bad and abusive it was, until it was compared to something else

ExhaustedHousewife · 26/10/2024 12:27

Serencwtch · 26/10/2024 12:05

If you go to uni & get a graduate job then you can safely say you are middle class.

Nope.University is free if your parents are on benefits.

ExhaustedHousewife · 26/10/2024 12:24

Missmarymack2 · 26/10/2024 10:25

I’m glad I live in a country where this is less of an issue and people don’t really use these labels so much.

The only place people care is here,on mumsnet.

Arlanymor · 26/10/2024 12:23

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 12:18

I agree.

It's a disgusting abusive term.

It's embarrassing.

Totally with you on all of that.

KnittedCardi · 26/10/2024 12:23

Too simplistic OP. What really matters is if you are Lower Middle Class, Middle Middle, or Upper Middle Class 😂

And yes, it's rarely to do with bags of money, but how you present yourself, how you treat others, and your own upbringing and education.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 12:19

Serencwtch · 26/10/2024 12:05

If you go to uni & get a graduate job then you can safely say you are middle class.

Anyone can go to Uni with student loans

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 12:18

Arlanymor · 26/10/2024 12:15

I wish this whole country would just drop the whole idea of class - it's gross.

I agree.

It's a disgusting abusive term.

It's embarrassing.

Danajune11 · 26/10/2024 12:17

Get out of the 1800s.

There is no class.

Class is never mentioned in other countries. I only ever hear it being talked about England.

It's so old fashioned!

How could there be a "class" of people. It's ridiculous.

Arlanymor · 26/10/2024 12:15

I wish this whole country would just drop the whole idea of class - it's gross.

BotanicalGreen · 26/10/2024 12:14

Nonsense about ballet/opera rather than musicals. I love the former and have also been to see Moulin Rouge twice. Loved it and would go again. DH went to Eton and he loved it too.

Barney16 · 26/10/2024 12:13

I would say I'm middle class if you apply a set of criteria Kids privately educated. University educated, children and I, own home, anticipate inheritance, but I don't ever think about it. Class is irrelevant what's relevant is whether people are decent and kind, compassionate and caring. Those qualities cut through.

WallaceinAnderland · 26/10/2024 12:13

When you're born.

You can't buy your way into a higher class.

Serencwtch · 26/10/2024 12:05

If you go to uni & get a graduate job then you can safely say you are middle class.

Superworm24 · 26/10/2024 11:53

Never. People may assume I'm middle class, we are doing okay financially and I enjoy things that I thought were only "for rich people" when I was growing up. But honestly I feel like an intruder. Deep down I will always be that kid from a council estate.

ConstanceM · 26/10/2024 11:42
  • You don't have tattoos up to your neck.
  • You own your cars outright
  • You have a 2nd property
  • Your kids go to grammar school/uni (so did you)
  • You have a mortgage but manageable
  • You have dinner on a dining table
  • You holiday abroad at least once a year
  • You read
  • Someone plays an instrument in the house
  • You are analytical about the Beatles back catalogue
  • You go to museums, galleries because you actually want to
  • You have at least one item from Barbour, Berghaus etc
  • You have a study space at home
  • You eat out at least once a month
AmICrazyToEvenBother · 26/10/2024 11:41

ballet/theatre (not musicals)

So what would you call Andrew Lloyd Webber or Tim Rice? Working class because they like musicals?

Honestly, who really cares? Working class and middle class are extremely fluid -land there are no set parameters. The only thing you can never become, is Upper Class, because that is attributed to you by birth.

Live your life and enjoy what you enjoy. There are no barriers to careers or hobbies.

roaringmouse · 26/10/2024 11:40

Lovelysummerdays · 26/10/2024 09:37

Ime middle class kids all ask where the humous is whenever they eat carrot sticks.

😂

Westfacing · 26/10/2024 11:39

My question is, if they were born working class and are now middle class (happy to be corrected on that if people don’t agree) surely there needs to have been a point where you would say they had become middle class? So at what point do you become middle class?

I think you don't ever become middle class, you are born into it - so I'd say you're middle class but your parents not.

I'm 70 and working class - but for the past nearly 50 years have lived a MC lifestyle due to marriage and income, so my sons grew up with all the advantages of private education and then university, so they've always been MC.

Class is something that runs deep in the UK.

Beezknees · 26/10/2024 11:37

AspirationalTallskinnylatte · 26/10/2024 11:31

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRSsocialgrade
This is the standard way to measure social class.
But I like the idea that it's about enjoying the archers.

Edited

I don't think that's particularly accurate, there's far more to it than just what job you do.

thisfilmisboring123 · 26/10/2024 11:33

Cattery · 26/10/2024 11:08

Think you’ve just shown your “class” there

🤣🤣

AspirationalTallskinnylatte · 26/10/2024 11:31

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRSsocialgrade
This is the standard way to measure social class.
But I like the idea that it's about enjoying the archers.

NRS social grade - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NRS_social_grade

HildaHosmede · 26/10/2024 11:30

Choconuttolata · 26/10/2024 11:03

This puts me in 'Established middle class'.

I don't agree. My background certainly isn't MC...no Uni, grew up in a Council house with parents on benefits etc.

However, our annual income and the fact I like the Theatre and socialise with Accountants seems to have thrown it off 😂

I think a pp hit the nail on the head for me and dh though...'working class, living a middle class lifestyle, raising very middle class children'.

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