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PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 06:13

My daughter's year 3. I wrote a post recently regarding ADHD.. to cut a long story short, I've been bringing ADHD up to the school since March 2022 but have been dismissed and ignored with it. At parents evening recently, looking through her books, I noticed her English book was simply full of negative, demotivating comments regarding her work. I enter the parents evening meeting, and they start by telling me how good she is at English, with reading level age of 11 and reading comprehension age of 12.
So I asked about the comments in the book, and they go on to list all the signs of ADHD for why she's not finishing her work etc etc and receiving such comments.
I haven't been able to let it go since, I'm absolutely fuming that they've let her struggle and even more so I'm devastated that my daughter is being left to feel shit at recieving such negative comments in a subject she is so highly capable at. She's so sensitive and I have noticed more recently that she gets frustrated and embarrassed now when she's not able to do something right first time. I feel like all of this has to be contributing.

I want to pull her out of her English classes until they accept and support her properly with an ADHD diagnosis.

To add as I think it's relevant, I also have suspected ADHD, and was expelled from a school age 14 following an incident in English class re me not finishing my work on time. I won't let my daughter face what I had to go through.

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FeetupTvon · 26/10/2024 08:56

What outcome are you hoping for with your own ADHD assessment? You may/may not get the diagnosis- but how would that change your life as an adult?

PollyPut · 26/10/2024 08:55

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:51

It's the fact that every single comment was good try. Or pointing out the negatives. There was no positive reinforcement in there. They commented on her handwriting, yet her handwriting book was next to empty. I asked about this and they said they don't have enough time for handwriting. It doesn't make sense why they'd be pulling her up on something yet not working with her on that in that subject/area.

If they don't have time for handwriting then:
1 - work is a bit slow in class, which should worry you
2 - it sounds like something you could help her with at home.

Ask school to recommend some resources she can work with at home. There are different types of handwriting styles - it's really important she is learning the one that school expect her to learn and not a different one.

Have you checked her pen grip? A good pen grip helps with speed of writing

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:55

LateAF · 26/10/2024 08:52

As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD I am warning you, it's YOU that will do damage to your daughter and make history repeat itself. My doctor told me that the reason I was able to succeed in life in certain aspects (i.e. excellent results in school, just about survived uni and professional training), where many with undiagnosed ADHD would have struggled is because my parents created a relaxed home environment and put no school pressure on me. Parents are often the ones that tip the iceberg and cause put stress on their ADHD children.

Your constant moaning and complaining and excuses for your daughter will damage her relationship with the school and teachers (who appear to be doing a great job), and will make her feel under pressure from you.

Also you have no idea what your daughter does and doesn't do at school - you're not there! How dismissive is your attitude?! The teachers must be so sick of your constant moaning. You have a daughter with undiagnosed ADHD who is excelling at both English and maths (that's incredible!) and yet all you do is complain about her teachers. Not once have you given the teachers any credit for the fact they have managed to keep your daughter sufficiently interested in school for her to be doing so well academically. Ungrateful and rude - if you carry on you will pass that attitude on to your daughter.

I don't put any school pressure on her.

My daughter also doesn't play fight.

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justasking111 · 26/10/2024 08:54

Reinforce handwriting skills at home as my grandsons parents did if there's no time in class.

narns · 26/10/2024 08:53

I have a family member going through this so I sympathise. The school actually referred the child to an education psychologist who reported that they display all the signs of ADHD and it was very likely that they have it, but they were unwilling to commit to a diagnosis because they were only 5 upon assessment.

The school find the child's behaviour difficult to manage because they don't have the resources to support them. They can't get the SEN support until there's a diagnosis but even then they don't sound hopeful that it will cover what they need.

If you can I'd ask for a meeting with the teacher to discuss how you feel they could be supporting your child better, while recognising that they have a whole class to manage. Keep advocating for your child!

OppsUpsSide · 26/10/2024 08:53

In education there is a real push to always look for what’s wrong, some old school marking policies seem to want a lot of green pen in books telling children what they should ‘do next’ but it can come across very negatively and have a negative impact on children with low self-esteem or who find it difficult to take criticism (children with ADHD can find this more difficult) I work in an SEMH school and am often picked up for the lack of such comments in my marking - I still don’t do it though as I agree with you OP, it isn’t helpful. If she is consistently not completing work than the method of teaching isn’t working and they need to look at that, not just continue to write negative comments in green pen in her book. It serves no purpose and (from what I see from students who have come from main stream) ends up doing more harm than good.

LateAF · 26/10/2024 08:52

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:43

No. My daughter just doesn't play fight. End of story.

As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD I am warning you, it's YOU that will do damage to your daughter and make history repeat itself. My doctor told me that the reason I was able to succeed in life in certain aspects (i.e. excellent results in school, just about survived uni and professional training), where many with undiagnosed ADHD would have struggled is because my parents created a relaxed home environment and put no school pressure on me. Parents are often the ones that tip the iceberg and cause put stress on their ADHD children.

Your constant moaning and complaining and excuses for your daughter will damage her relationship with the school and teachers (who appear to be doing a great job), and will make her feel under pressure from you.

Also you have no idea what your daughter does and doesn't do at school - you're not there! How dismissive is your attitude?! The teachers must be so sick of your constant moaning. You have a daughter with undiagnosed ADHD who is excelling at both English and maths (that's incredible!) and yet all you do is complain about her teachers. Not once have you given the teachers any credit for the fact they have managed to keep your daughter sufficiently interested in school for her to be doing so well academically. Ungrateful and rude - if you carry on you will pass that attitude on to your daughter.

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:52

Sunshineandalltherainbows · 26/10/2024 08:51

Did you want to see Excellent work written in her book? It seems after seeing some of your responses it is definitely you projecting on your child. I mean this kindly work on yourself first.

Not necessarily but I would expect it to be more balanced and motivating considering what they've told me in person.

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notbelieved · 26/10/2024 08:52

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:41

Because I've taken on board that the comments may be seen as normal by other teachers after reading their comments, in the sense of pointing out where she's going wrong. It's lots of 'good try' and 'don't do this' etc but a complete lack of anything positive or balanced.

Edited

Good Try is a positive comment? What is it you want, exactly?

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:51

Startinganew32 · 26/10/2024 08:47

LOL how is “good try” demotivating? They are totally normal comments and she’d receive the same at whatever school she went to. The problem here is YOU. Your DD hasn’t even complained, not that you have mentioned anyway. I feel sorry for her. She is an only child who has a highly strung mum with “social problems” who is threatening to pull her out of her class several times a week because she doesn’t like what the teachers wrote in her book. If she isn’t already, she will be absolutely mortified by you. Seriously, get help for your issues or whatever you need but please do not continue projecting it onto your poor daughter.

It's the fact that every single comment was good try. Or pointing out the negatives. There was no positive reinforcement in there. They commented on her handwriting, yet her handwriting book was next to empty. I asked about this and they said they don't have enough time for handwriting. It doesn't make sense why they'd be pulling her up on something yet not working with her on that in that subject/area.

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Dishwashersaurous · 26/10/2024 08:51

Those aren't negative comments, they are completely normal.

You don't like the school. That's OK. But if you are going to continue to send your child there for the next almost four years then you need to support their approach.

Sunshineandalltherainbows · 26/10/2024 08:51

Did you want to see Excellent work written in her book? It seems after seeing some of your responses it is definitely you projecting on your child. I mean this kindly work on yourself first.

justasking111 · 26/10/2024 08:51

My grandson was like this in English as were three others in his year. The school promptly referred to Senco who duly did their job. Their conclusion was that it's an age thing not ADHD.

His parents have given him extra work at home to improve his concentration which has worked.

He's much better than he was which is partly parental effort, partly his level of maturity increasing.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 26/10/2024 08:51

This is very much a you problem. It would seem that the comments are not in fact negative and you believe your daughter is an angel. I suspect any school she goes to will not be good enough

Dishwashersaurous · 26/10/2024 08:49

And has your daughter ever mentioned the comments in her book, and that she's upset by them?

Or is the first time you thought there was an issue when you saw the books?

She may well not be bothered by the comments because that is what everyone gets in their books, ways to improve.

Often the positive feedback is given verbally and the comments in books are things to work on to improve next time.

H0mEredward · 26/10/2024 08:48

If you are dissatisfied with the education that your child is being provided then I would de register her from the school.

Whilst applying for alternative schools I would send her to home-ed forest groups and tutoring where she can enjoy making friends and learning.

Hercisback1 · 26/10/2024 08:48

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:34

It's a very small, Christian village school. I have felt on many occasions that this plays a part.

And yes it's very much the lack of good, positive responses which I feel would be more helpful alongside pointing out the negatives.

you feel

Not your daughter. You haven't actually asked her.

PepaWepa · 26/10/2024 08:47

PollyPut · 26/10/2024 08:46

@PepaWepa changing direction slightly - does she get written homework? Does she get it finished and hand it in on time?

There's no written homework. It's spellings and timetables to learn for a test each week.

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Startinganew32 · 26/10/2024 08:47

LOL how is “good try” demotivating? They are totally normal comments and she’d receive the same at whatever school she went to. The problem here is YOU. Your DD hasn’t even complained, not that you have mentioned anyway. I feel sorry for her. She is an only child who has a highly strung mum with “social problems” who is threatening to pull her out of her class several times a week because she doesn’t like what the teachers wrote in her book. If she isn’t already, she will be absolutely mortified by you. Seriously, get help for your issues or whatever you need but please do not continue projecting it onto your poor daughter.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 26/10/2024 08:46

Shocking! Ask for a refund.

PollyPut · 26/10/2024 08:46

@PepaWepa changing direction slightly - does she get written homework? Does she get it finished and hand it in on time?

Isometimeswonder · 26/10/2024 08:46

Most progress ismade during lessons by teacher's verbal comments and interactions.
Do you know how these are?

Shinyandnew1 · 26/10/2024 08:44

This isn’t workable-do you want her withdrawn from any written lesson? There’s plenty of writing in history/geography/science! What if they finish off literacy at another time? Swap timetables?

I can’t imagine any school allowing this-it’s all or nothing.

If the school is ‘genuinely awful’, take her out.

Sirzy · 26/10/2024 08:44

It’s amazing how many parents say “not my child” even when adults have witnessed things. Sometimes children do daft things, sometimes children do things that are out of character. It happens! Especially in people with ADHD!

LateAF · 26/10/2024 08:43

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