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Surname etiquette after marriage

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Gc1992 · 25/10/2024 21:33

Please help. My middle name rhymes with my fiancé’s surname so it sounds silly together. Keeping my surname and adding his on as a double-barrelled name also doesn’t sound right. I could change my middle name. Is this unreasonable? I can’t emphasise enough how silly the two names sound together! 😂

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SoupDragon · 26/10/2024 20:00

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 19:45

I’m saying the reasons she’s giving don’t really hold water. And the language she’s using will mean women are primed to change their names rather than really considering why (or why not). All things that menfolk largely aren’t ever expected to give headspace.

i think the only way names should ever be changed is if both parties double barrel or change to a new name chosen by them. Otherwise, keep their own.

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It's really tedious and rude when people keep bleating on about how they don't believe people who have given their reasons for changing their name. Pathetic really.

Bellatrixpure · 26/10/2024 19:49

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 19:45

I’m saying the reasons she’s giving don’t really hold water. And the language she’s using will mean women are primed to change their names rather than really considering why (or why not). All things that menfolk largely aren’t ever expected to give headspace.

i think the only way names should ever be changed is if both parties double barrel or change to a new name chosen by them. Otherwise, keep their own.

Edited

It’s her personal choice though and not really your place to like or not.

I only know a few people who didn’t take their husband’s name when they got married. Double barrelling mine would be too long and I wouldn’t to have a different name to my children

LadyMacbethWasMisunderstood · 26/10/2024 19:48

Can’t you both just keep your own names. That’s what I did 28 years ago. Even more people do it now.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 19:45

Bellatrixpure · 26/10/2024 18:37

So are you saying she shouldn’t have changed it when she got married?

I’m saying the reasons she’s giving don’t really hold water. And the language she’s using will mean women are primed to change their names rather than really considering why (or why not). All things that menfolk largely aren’t ever expected to give headspace.

i think the only way names should ever be changed is if both parties double barrel or change to a new name chosen by them. Otherwise, keep their own.

Bellatrixpure · 26/10/2024 18:37

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 13:56

It was YOUR surname. Where it came from isn’t relevant.

It clearly wasn’t hideous enough to change before marriage. And your uncles have all managed, despite the spelling issues.

So are you saying she shouldn’t have changed it when she got married?

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 13:56

Passwordsaremynemesis · 26/10/2024 11:52

Well I am an only child and my parents divorced so no. I was quite happy to get rid of my late father’s ugly surname. My mum re married so she got rid of it too. My dad’s brothers still have the surname though, he had no sisters.

It was YOUR surname. Where it came from isn’t relevant.

It clearly wasn’t hideous enough to change before marriage. And your uncles have all managed, despite the spelling issues.

Makingchocolatecake · 26/10/2024 13:48

You can do what ever you want. I have my maiden name as a middle name. BTW, don't pay for a deed poll, just make your own, look up the wording on gov.uk. It doesn't need to be 'enrolled' as places will accept your own version.

Passwordsaremynemesis · 26/10/2024 11:52

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 09:40

Have any males in your family kept this horrible surname, perchance?

Well I am an only child and my parents divorced so no. I was quite happy to get rid of my late father’s ugly surname. My mum re married so she got rid of it too. My dad’s brothers still have the surname though, he had no sisters.

CurlewKate · 26/10/2024 11:15

Just keep your own name. Simple.

Completelyjo · 26/10/2024 10:55

If you're that much of a feminist then dont even bother getting married.

So you shouldn’t get married if you don’t want to take a man’s name? So depressing that some women perpetuate this rubbish.

SoupDragon · 26/10/2024 10:34

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 25/10/2024 22:01

One of my daughter’s teachers has a surname that rhymes with her first name thanks to marriage. It’s ridiculous. No idea what she was thinking changing her name.

That is exactly why I changed my name when I got married and have not changed it back.

Growlybear83 · 26/10/2024 10:15

I could understand this if it was your first name that would rhyme with your new surname, but who uses their middle name? I don't think there is anyone apart from my husband, daughter, HMRC, and banks who know my middle name. None of my friends or colleagues woukd even know that I've got one let alone what it is.

Deadringer · 26/10/2024 10:14

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 09:43

The term “maiden name” keeps us in this perpetual cycle of believing women’s names are temporary and should be chanced upon marriage. Should also be outlawed.

“Just keep your name” “I kept my name” “name since birth” all work equally well.

I too hate the term maiden name, it serves no purpose except to perpetuate the idea that a female's name is temporary.

Zanatdy · 26/10/2024 09:56

When would you say your full name to anyone? Hardly ever

MirandaBlu · 26/10/2024 09:55

Do you mean changing your middle name to something completely different - for example you're Sophie Miranda Jones, marrying George Panda, and you're considering switching to Sophie Elizabeth Jones now and Sophie Elizabeth Panda later, just to avoid the rhyme?

If so, I think maybe that's unnecessary. Unless you use your middle every day - people regularly address you as "Sophie Miranda", or you'd introduce yourself that way - I wouldn't worry too much. Ideologically I fall into the "don't change your last name (unless you really hate it)" camp, and I also think it's by far the easiest option just to keep it as is - but everyone's different. Traditionally, some women who changed to their husband's last name at marriage used their own original surname as a middle (for example, Sophie Miranda Jones > Sophie Jones Panda), so if you really want to change your last name to your partner's when you get married that could be an option.

GentleFinch: If you're that much of a feminist then dont even bother getting married. Not sure I agree; the point of feminism is for women to be treated routinely as human beings, just as men are. And plenty of men get married without a lot of handwringing over losing their rights. I think the core issue is structural and systemic inequality based on sex, which infiltrates and perverts all of our social institutions including marriage, rather than the institution of marriage itself. (Also of course not all marriages are cross-sex.)

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 09:43

The term “maiden name” keeps us in this perpetual cycle of believing women’s names are temporary and should be chanced upon marriage. Should also be outlawed.

“Just keep your name” “I kept my name” “name since birth” all work equally well.

ThatIsNotMyNameSoWhyAreYouCallingMeThat · 26/10/2024 09:40

Passwordsaremynemesis · 26/10/2024 02:54

I took my husband’s surname because mine was horrible and no one could spell it, and my married name is pretty cool. It took me a while to realise that my middle name rhymes with the American prononciation of my married surname, and sounds ridiculous if said aloud. I’ve been married a bloody long time though and it’s never been an issue, although it does raise a giggle on the odd occasion when the subject arises.

Have any males in your family kept this horrible surname, perchance?

Completelyjo · 26/10/2024 09:19

It’s not etiquette, it isn’t rude to keep your own name.

TheGoogleMum · 26/10/2024 09:19

Just keep your maiden name or as everyone says don't worry as people hardly ever hear full name

2chocolateoranges · 26/10/2024 09:15

nothing can be more silly than my name.

i took dh’s family name and his surname is a colour, however my middle name is also a colour.

we've had a few giggles with it!

2chocolateoranges White Grey.

rarely use my middle name.

MissTrip82 · 26/10/2024 09:10

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 26/10/2024 08:35

How many women keep their family name but then give their children their father's last name? Personally not for me. Patriarchy again, no?

Yep. Of course that’s what it is?

I can’t fathom why people think stating the obvious is some kind of amazing GOTCHA.

You’re so much smarter than other women! You’ve shown us all!

wellicantseethem · 26/10/2024 09:05

I'm happily married but always wish I'd kept my maiden name!

Why can't he change his surname to yours?

Lentilweaver · 26/10/2024 08:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 26/10/2024 06:52

Have you and your husband considered him taking your surname? If not, why not? If this isn't something he would ever contemplate doing, it's worth questioning the assumption that you will take his.

Every woman who keeps her own name and every man who changes his is helping to combat this automatic assumption that women's identities are less important than men's.

As a woman who didn't change her name on marriage, I can tell you about the pros and cons.

Pros:

I didn't have to change my name on any documents/email addresses/accounts etc. This is a huge plus! Fuck doing all that admin.

I feel like I have kept my own identity and it hasn't been erased in favour of a man's just because patriarchy.

My name still sounds just as good as it did on the day I was born when my parents made sure it didn't sound silly or spell anything rude.

Cons:

After I got married some people assumed I had changed my name and sent stuff to me as Mrs Husband's name. One thing got delivered to the Post Office and I didn't have any ID in that name which was a pain.

I don't have the same surname as my children. This doesn't really bother me because my son has a variant of my surname as his first name and my daughter has the same middle name as me. I haven't travelled abroad with them and without their dad yet but if I did I'd bring copies of their birth certificates and a letter signed by my husband. I don't think this is really a big deal.

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I have been traveling abroad with my DC who I dont share a name with for over 20 years, with no letter and no birth certificates. No problems.
Ideally I would have liked them to have my name too but over 20 years ago that was a step too far.

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 26/10/2024 08:36

@TheGlitterFairy Did your husband add on to his name too?

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 26/10/2024 08:35

How many women keep their family name but then give their children their father's last name? Personally not for me. Patriarchy again, no?

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