AIBU to hope 'Tommy Robinson' finally faces some consequences?

And I wouldn't say there are three marches as you describe them- there may well be those protesting about Chris Kaba and Palestine, but the main opposition to the Tommy Robinson protest are antiracism groups.

The anti- racism march is also huge. Heard reports that there were more anti-racists than UK "patriots". Not sure if it's true but very high numbers nonetheless.

Looks like there are 3 big protests the U.K. Patriots one , Palestine and Chris Kaba … the numbers at the U.K. one are huge! Something has to give society is broken and the outlook is grim for a whole host of reasons…

You want to see more violence?
WTF is wrong with you?🤯

@1dayatatime you are correct there are 9 million people unemployed but just as @Notonthestairs has shown there are reasons why some of these people are unemployed.

Also some people have just also chosen not to work. They believe that being a carer, cleaner or being in the workforce is something they dont want to do for whatever reasons.

Another thing we have to be honest they closed a lot of factories, manual jobs, then after this it was the seaside towns across the country except for places like Cornwall and Brighton.

Currently we now have high streets closing down and towns closing down shops because of high rent prices, therefore no jobs and infrastructure that encourages people to look for employment. Even recently it was discovered about nightclubs are shutting down in their thousands per month. These are people’s jobs that are being lost.

There is a shortage for simple jobs as well and the government has not come up with a concrete plan to create new jobs.

Oops one of the YABU was an accidental click from me moving the screen 🤦‍♀️. YA most definitely NBU. It's convenient he handed himself in the day before the march knowing he would be safely out of the way and would help to stir up his supporters.

Breakdown of the reasons why people are not at work - some are indeed unemployed...but the largest groups are students, the sick, people with caring responsibilities or the retired.

@Daisy155
@SallyWD

"We need to ask why the positives of immigration aren't publicised more widely."

Firstly the economic benefits of immigration depends heavily on the age of the immigrant (old or young means net negative impact) and level of skill (skilled net positive, unskilled net negative).

However there are currently 9 million people economically inactive in the UK right now, surely it would be better to incentivise these people back into the economy rather than simply import more and more people into the country in some kind of Ponzi scheme which in turn creates pressures on services such as the NHS, education etc and resources such as housing.

Some may choose to right off the 9 million as impossible to help or unemployable but this just creates an angry disenfranchised section of society attracted to the likes of Tommy Robinson.

@Autumnalsun this is it as well! He was on holiday in Spain when those people were rioting and taking things from Greggs.

He was talking to those people whilst he was getting a tan, relaxing in the sun. Meanwhile we all had to watch and police were hurt. Local Businesses were destroyed, towns were destroyed across the country.

It’s wrong, these people are being used and he is so not even the common working class person.

He doesn’t care and I am sure he will serve some time and this will make people angry it’s a vicious cycle.

The news are going to carry on encouraging this nonsense, playing both sides.

Get moving @scotland96, you'll miss your march. Glad to see its raining.

If certain people want to be racist or prejudiced that’s on them.

But I cannot understand how anyone supports this absolute idiot!

He literally laughs at them.
They pay for his lavish lifestyle and they think he’s God.

When he started the riots, he didn’t take part in them all and show his support in person - he was on an all inclusive holiday in a completely different country.

How can you be using these people’s money and giving it to foreign, non-white people, when this is why those people gave you the money in the first place.
And yet those people will continue to support him and give him money.

It’s almost like some mad experiment to see how stupid people are.

They were arrested and now going through the court system - what has that got to do with this thread though?

Yes, I'm sure that none of us are keen to import criminals into the country.
What I object to, once again, is the racist rhetoric around the issue. Facts have been manipulated. There is a lot of misinformation out there. There's a perception that immigrants and especially asylum seekers are far more likely to be criminals - a perception that they're more likely to be rapists, peadophiles, run around with machetes etc. This perception is the basis of the fear and anger around immigration, the basis of the riots and support for Tommy Robinson etc.
I'm very interested in this subject so I always do my research from a variety of sources (not just left wing sources). I want to know the truth. What I found is that immigrants (including asylum seekers) are no more likely commit crimes than native British people. No more likely to be rapists, less likely to be pedophiles, no more likely to commit violent crime. Yes the immigrants living in direct poverty are more likely to commit crime but the same applies to white people.
As I said, let's have an open discussion around immigration and let's examine any problems caused by it, but based on facts, not lies spread by right wing agitators.
The other day Laurence Fox posted something on X about the soaring crime rates due to immigration. Most people supported him but a few people responded with facts - sharing graphs and reports that showed that crime rates were actually dropping. Laurence Fox, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage are dangerous because they make these false statements and people believe them. People are genuinely scared because of what they say.
I read an article in the Financial Times (not a left wing publication) that said that immigration has had no real impact on crime rates, so far. This is not the view shared by many thanks to the Daily Mail etc.

Because it’s not doom, gloom and sensationalism so the media would never publish it widely.

Plus most news outlets are completely biased and only publish things to try and influence people to support and lean to whatever narrative they are trying to push.

@SallyWD exactly a lot of people would adjust their beliefs if the real statics were being published in the media.

Yet they talk about the boats when this form of immigration barely brings in a significant amount of immigrants into the country we also take less Asylum seekers than other EU countries. But yet the Daily Mail and GB news focus on the boats to sell and sensationalise their news it’s all about profit for them but not educating the masses.

We take more immigrants through the route of Work and Study. We also take in a lot of young professionals because our country is an aging country with a low birth rate at the moment.

So it’s important we replenish the population with skilled workers and young professionals.

Well done Daisy. This kind of information needs to be shared far and wide. I genuinely think we wouldn't have such an issue with the rise of racism if the Daily Mail and others published this kind of info. We need to ask why the positives of immigration aren't publicised more widely.

Love how noone has responded to you or the previous poster who also listed the fucking awful things this awful man has done to refute or defend them in any way. They never do. They ignore it. And we all see them ignore these concerns, or gloss over them, or point at someone else and go 'but THIS person xxxxx' instead of actually addressing what you've said.
Happy for a supporter to come along and discuss/provide evidence against the points you have raised here though. Prove me wrong!

Oh man, are these dim pricks going to be shitting up central London again today?

Great.

He isn’t their leader?

For anyone not interested in the ‘banned’ documentary it is worth looking into what happened at the school where the Syrian boy was a pupil. The situation itself and what happened afterwards was not quite how the main stream media told us. You don’t need to listen to a single word Tommy Robinson says to research that a little deeper.

I genuinely think that there is a supply and demand imbalance problem with racism in the UK.

In that the vast vast majority of people in the UK are not racist and judge people on the content of their character and actions and not the colour of their skin.

However there are many people who want to believe that racism is endemic across the UK or to claim that when a person is called to account for their wrongful actions then this is because of the colour of their skin and not their wrongful actions.

The recent coverage of the shooting of Chris Kabba is a good example of this. Where he was portrayed as an innocent aspiring musician gunned down by racist police officers.

In reality he was a member of one of London’s most dangerous criminal gangs and was directly linked to two shootings in the six days before he was shot dead by police.
He was said to have shot a rival in the legs at a nightclub six days before he died in September 2022, and would have stood trial for attempted murder had he survived.
He was also found to have gunshot residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket on the night he was killed by a police marksman, which it was suggested was evidence he had been involved in a second shooting the previous night. He had previous convictions for possession of weapons, and the Audi that he was driving when he was killed was linked to three previous firearms incidents in five months.

While I would very much like to see him in the clink, I think it would make him a something of a martyr in the eyes of the knuckle-dragging morons that support him. There would be a real danger that that would galvanise them into more drastic action than simply marching, chanting and causing trouble at football matches.

I feel sorry for the Met police today. I think the EDL and their fellow travellers will be angry that their beloved leader has been arrested and thus even more likely to cause trouble, and anecdotally I'm hearing of far more people going to today's Stand Up To Racism march than have been to previous ones. There's actually an organised meet up for people from my small, rural town attending, which is a first.

Is it not a case of we have enough criminals of our own rather than continually importing more? Especially when it seems beyond our government/judiciary to actually deport anyone.

Our jails are literally full - and they've got tons of foreign criminals in there mixed in with our own.

Generally I think people are pro-immigration when it's managed properly. Governments and bureaucracy continually fail us.

Suuuuure you didn't and what would be the point in me getting back to you with facts?

I mean, I could explain the difference between illegal migrants, legal migrants and asylum seekers to you, the different impacts (positive and negative) they have on the country, the benefits each group is entitled to and when, etc, etc, but if you're honest with yourself it would all be pointless wouldn't it?

You're entrenched in your narrow-minded views and no amount of evidence will change that now.