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AdviceNeeded2024 · 26/10/2024 18:29

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 17:32

You must surely be able to see the law is not being applied appropriately then? Forget Yaxley Lennon. Those same anti terrorism laws could just as easily be applied inappropriately against you for something that isn’t an act of terrorism. Worry about that.

It’s not ‘an act of terrorism’ in the way I believe you are thinking (so a marauding terrorist attack for example) to refuse to give the phone over with the PIN… he was stopped and requested to do so, under powers provided by the Terrorism Act, he refused so committed an offence under that act, but the incident in question wasn’t an ‘act of terrorism’ In the traditional sense

Hatfullofwillow · 26/10/2024 18:03

SinnerBoy · 26/10/2024 17:41

Those same anti terrorism laws could just as easily be applied inappropriately against you for something that isn’t an act of terrorism. Worry about that.

I do! But as I pointed out, they go for lefties, as well. Just because they use the act and may prosecute for breaching it, it doesn't follow that a person is necessarily a terrorist.

About 20 years ago, councils were carrying out surveillance on people and using the Act to compile evidence for the Police. For things like having a dummy address, to get their kids into better schools.

Lennon is conspiring with rightwing groups from the USA and Europe, along with rightwing Sikhs to Foster hatred on the streets of Britain.

That's the evidence they are looking for.

SinnerBoy · 26/10/2024 17:41

Those same anti terrorism laws could just as easily be applied inappropriately against you for something that isn’t an act of terrorism. Worry about that.

I do! But as I pointed out, they go for lefties, as well. Just because they use the act and may prosecute for breaching it, it doesn't follow that a person is necessarily a terrorist.

About 20 years ago, councils were carrying out surveillance on people and using the Act to compile evidence for the Police. For things like having a dummy address, to get their kids into better schools.

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 17:38

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 17:32

You must surely be able to see the law is not being applied appropriately then? Forget Yaxley Lennon. Those same anti terrorism laws could just as easily be applied inappropriately against you for something that isn’t an act of terrorism. Worry about that.

I did back in 2009 when the law was introduced, than you very much.

And laws being applied inappropriately is a tale as old as time. Which makes peoples sudden concern for one particular case rather unimpressive, if not in bad faith.

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 17:32

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 16:58

I didn't say it was. I just reported the facts, unwelcome as they are in Yaxley-Lennon land.

You must surely be able to see the law is not being applied appropriately then? Forget Yaxley Lennon. Those same anti terrorism laws could just as easily be applied inappropriately against you for something that isn’t an act of terrorism. Worry about that.

SinnerBoy · 26/10/2024 17:30

AdviceNeeded2024 · Today 10:35

But there has to be a suspicion. I was replying to the poster who asked previously whether if she was stopped for no reason and asked to hand over her phone whether she’d be charged under the terrorism act.

I was stopped in Newcastle in 2021, coming from that hotbed of drug dealing, organised crime and terrorism; Norway. I asked why and they said I was suspicious. Personally, I think that they were bored, but the explained that it was under the PoT Act, so I handed it over and got it back in10 minutes.

SallyWD · 26/10/2024 17:30

SallyWD · 26/10/2024 16:57

I've just read a report that there were around 15k "Patriots" (or as i would say, far right protestors) and 25k to 30k antiracism protesters. Again, I don't know how accurate these figures are but I thought everyone would like to know.

I've now heard there were about 300,000 anti racism and 100,000 far right protesters. I thought the other figures were too low.

SinnerBoy · 26/10/2024 17:24

Simonjt · Today 10:18

As a non-white person it doesn’t surprise me at all, there are significant number of incredibly thick racists.

Well, the world idiot shortage is certainly over; in fact, there's now a glut.

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 17:14

Why can't people actually check before spouting stuff as truth?!
Thousands - no, hang on, I meant 10 a month 😭😬

It is astounding - and a tad worrying - how uncritical people are when it comes to numbers. Although it certainly explains why the UKs productivity is so pisspoor.

TofuTart · 26/10/2024 17:04

Daisy155 · 26/10/2024 14:28

Sorry my mistake, I don’t know why I thought it said thousands, it’s 10 per month in the UK but still the point still stands these are people jobs we are loosing. Especially in our high street, that’s a lot of money lost in the local economy as well!

Why can't people actually check before spouting stuff as truth?!
Thousands - no, hang on, I meant 10 a month 😭😬
WTF
It'd be funny if it wasn't so serious, how people lap any old shit up , it's how misinformation spreads and riots/incitement starts.

JRSKSSBH · 26/10/2024 17:01

SallyWD · 26/10/2024 16:57

I've just read a report that there were around 15k "Patriots" (or as i would say, far right protestors) and 25k to 30k antiracism protesters. Again, I don't know how accurate these figures are but I thought everyone would like to know.

Well TfL has switched off the web cams in the area to ensure the correct number is never reported. Gotta love Khan.

JRSKSSBH · 26/10/2024 17:00

newnamethanks · 25/10/2024 18:26

Those involved in the Manchester Airport incident are on police bail. A file of evidence was passed to CPS in September and awaits a decision.

CPS activists too busy deciding to try an innocent armed metropolitan police officer surely? They’ll kick that file down the proverbial road.

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 16:58

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 16:54

That’s still not an act of terrorism though whichever way you look at it.

I didn't say it was. I just reported the facts, unwelcome as they are in Yaxley-Lennon land.

SallyWD · 26/10/2024 16:57

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 15:58

Trying to put their own spin on things and control the narrative…I said what I saw on TV! Simple as ….maybe that’s beyond your comprehension @Locutus2000 .

I've just read a report that there were around 15k "Patriots" (or as i would say, far right protestors) and 25k to 30k antiracism protesters. Again, I don't know how accurate these figures are but I thought everyone would like to know.

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 16:56

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 15:56

It was on the mainstream tv channels so not misinformation…! Get your facts right …always some smart arse on here !!

Of course the mainstream channels only post facts and have no bias or agendas whatsoever.

NeverAgainNelly · 26/10/2024 16:54

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 14:26

Just to bore everyone here that Mr. Yaxley-Lennon has been arrested under:
Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. Specifically, paragraphs 2 and 5,
which say, inter alia that:

2. An examining officer may question a person to whom this paragraph
applies[...]

(which means someone entering the UK at a port or airport, as per the rest
of the paragraph which I'm not quoting as it's easily looked up)

and

5. A person who is questioned under paragraph 2 or 3 must
(a) give the examining officer any information in his possession
which
the officer requests

because he has claimed to have evidence of child abuse on his phone which he is refusing to unlock for the police.

That’s still not an act of terrorism though whichever way you look at it.

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 15:58

Trying to put their own spin on things and control the narrative…I said what I saw on TV! Simple as ….maybe that’s beyond your comprehension @Locutus2000 .

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 15:56

Locutus2000 · 26/10/2024 14:51

my post was simply saying what a I’d seen/heard on TV/videos on SM.

And this folks is how misinformation spreads.

It was on the mainstream tv channels so not misinformation…! Get your facts right …always some smart arse on here !!

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 15:24

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SallyWD · 26/10/2024 14:56

marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 14:47

Eh! Jeez why does there have to be tit for tat!! I’m going by what I’ve seen on news/SM and the U.K. one is vastly bigger that’s a fact.

I described them as being reported on the news …but hey you know better ! Rude …

no wonder there are issues when people like you jumping down people’s throats …my post was simply saying what a I’d seen/heard on TV/videos on SM.

seriously get a life! 🤪 everyone can have their say whether you agree or not

I'm not jumping down your throat. I was simply saying what I saw reported and also said I don't know if it's true or not. Hope that's OK.

Locutus2000 · 26/10/2024 14:51

my post was simply saying what a I’d seen/heard on TV/videos on SM.

And this folks is how misinformation spreads.

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marshmallowmix · 26/10/2024 14:47

SallyWD · 26/10/2024 14:21

And I wouldn't say there are three marches as you describe them- there may well be those protesting about Chris Kaba and Palestine, but the main opposition to the Tommy Robinson protest are antiracism groups.

Eh! Jeez why does there have to be tit for tat!! I’m going by what I’ve seen on news/SM and the U.K. one is vastly bigger that’s a fact.

I described them as being reported on the news …but hey you know better ! Rude …

no wonder there are issues when people like you jumping down people’s throats …my post was simply saying what a I’d seen/heard on TV/videos on SM.

seriously get a life! 🤪 everyone can have their say whether you agree or not

Daisy155 · 26/10/2024 14:28

Locutus2000 · 26/10/2024 14:22

Even recently it was discovered about nightclubs are shutting down in their thousands per month. These are people’s jobs that are being lost.

Thousands?

Sorry my mistake, I don’t know why I thought it said thousands, it’s 10 per month in the UK but still the point still stands these are people jobs we are loosing. Especially in our high street, that’s a lot of money lost in the local economy as well!

SerendipityJane · 26/10/2024 14:26

Just to bore everyone here that Mr. Yaxley-Lennon has been arrested under:
Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. Specifically, paragraphs 2 and 5,
which say, inter alia that:

2. An examining officer may question a person to whom this paragraph
applies[...]

(which means someone entering the UK at a port or airport, as per the rest
of the paragraph which I'm not quoting as it's easily looked up)

and

5. A person who is questioned under paragraph 2 or 3 must
(a) give the examining officer any information in his possession
which
the officer requests

because he has claimed to have evidence of child abuse on his phone which he is refusing to unlock for the police.

Locutus2000 · 26/10/2024 14:24

1dayatatime · 26/10/2024 11:01

I genuinely think that there is a supply and demand imbalance problem with racism in the UK.

In that the vast vast majority of people in the UK are not racist and judge people on the content of their character and actions and not the colour of their skin.

However there are many people who want to believe that racism is endemic across the UK or to claim that when a person is called to account for their wrongful actions then this is because of the colour of their skin and not their wrongful actions.

The recent coverage of the shooting of Chris Kabba is a good example of this. Where he was portrayed as an innocent aspiring musician gunned down by racist police officers.

In reality he was a member of one of London’s most dangerous criminal gangs and was directly linked to two shootings in the six days before he was shot dead by police.
He was said to have shot a rival in the legs at a nightclub six days before he died in September 2022, and would have stood trial for attempted murder had he survived.
He was also found to have gunshot residue on his sleeve and a balaclava in his pocket on the night he was killed by a police marksman, which it was suggested was evidence he had been involved in a second shooting the previous night. He had previous convictions for possession of weapons, and the Audi that he was driving when he was killed was linked to three previous firearms incidents in five months.

In reality he was a member of one of London’s most dangerous criminal gangs and was directly linked to two shootings in the six days before he was shot dead by police.

I'm no fan of Kaba, but would point out the armed officer who killed him didn't know any of that at the time.

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