AIBU to hope 'Tommy Robinson' finally faces some consequences?

Except this time, Jews are STILL being blamed for all this as according to conspiracy theorists, Tommy Robinson is stoking all this up as Israel paid him too.

Unfortunately the rise in popularity of conspiracy theories has provided a new recruiting ground into anti-Semitism. After all, Jews have always been charged with 'controlling the world', so its not surprising that the new generation of conspiracy theorists, have latched onto these old anti-Semitic tropes.

Good job we don't have "unchecked immigration" then, isn't it, or they'd really have something to be pissed off about.

The unemployed aren't part of the economically inactive.

Unless you think that what we have now in terms of our waged economy is slave labour (fair enough if you do), then it's quite a stretch to equate our already restrictive immigration policies to the slave trade. We're not sending out ships and bringing people in forcibly.

I'm also a bit concerned that your focus on immigration is just on the non-white immigrants. Post Brexit, we lost a lot of highly skilled people, from across Europe & beyond.

We're also losing thousands of the best & brightest students due to an economically illiterate dog whistle visa change.

@Hatfullofwillow

"Why are you assuming immigrant labour aren't skilled? It's Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Nurses etc that are leaving the UK"

I'm not assuming that immigrant labour is unskilled- I'm assuming a mixture of skills. But using your example why not incentivise the UK Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Nurses etc that are leaving the UK to actually stay by maybe paying them more?

The alternative is to then import skilled labour from abroad on lower salaries that UK nationals wouldn't work for.

You wanted evidence of the correlation between being out of work and ill health:

www.health.org.uk/evidence-hub/work/employment-and-unemployment/how-employment-status-affects-our-health

Of course there is the chicken and egg which came first the ill health or the economic inactivity but the above article would suggest that people become unemployed often through no fault of their own and as a result suffer ill health and then become long term sick.

I think it is disgraceful that the economically inactive are being written off as unemployable as well as deeply racist to suggest that imported labour should be used to do the jobs that UK nationals are unwilling to do at current salaries. It is reminiscent of using slave labour to work in the Caribbean sugar plantations because European labour was unwilling to do so.

I recently watched The Rise of the Nazis on BBC iPlayer. I’d do the same if I were you, firstly you will be better informed and secondly you may start feeling different politically.

Why are you assuming immigrant labour aren't skilled? It's Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Nurses etc that are leaving the UK.

You keep stating a Tory falsehood about 9 million economically inactive, available to the workforce, that simply isn't the case. As has been pointed out to you several times.

There's not a pro immigration lobby.

There's absolutely zero evidence that longterm sickness is related to not working. Where is your evidence for this claim?

Your numbers don't add up and your claims aren't evidenced.

Point of order : we have never controlled our borders. Just ask Harold Goodwinson.

As you were.

@username1478

"Asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of immigrants in the UK. The vast majority are brought in legally. "

This factually correct that the majority of migrants come here legally. The reason why is that employers can hire them more cheaply than equivalent UK nationals.

Exactly. The concept of the state paying 9 million people to be economically inactive and then bringing in people through immigration to fill the labour shortage is insane, very costly to the state and actually horribly racist.

millymollymoomoo · 25/10/2024 18:20

He’s actually quite reasoned if you listen to what he says rather than the hype spouted about him by the left.
Twotier policing and justice as always”

Well yes, if you’re an unreasonable, right wing person 🤣

I believe Mosley was charming in person too.

@username1478

"They aren't necessarily trained in the skills we're importing people to do. National Minimum Wage work doesn't pay enough to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table.

What's your solution?"

The solution is to provide the training to create the skills. The solution is to pay higher wages to motivate UK nationals to do those jobs.

Right now employers can get away with paying minimum wages by importing labour through immigration to do them. If they didn't have that option then they would have no choice but to pay higher wages or cease operations.

By investing in the 9 million economically inactive UK nationals you reduce the cost to the state and increase the tax revenues.

@Hatfullofwillow

"You're overstating the health benefits of work. The mental health benefits of working peak at just 8hrs a week. Manual labour is the direct cause of a multitude of health problems and work related stress the driver of many more. The former don't really improve on retirement but the latter do."

On that logic why should anyone work at all beyond 8 hours a week? And if manual labour is indeed a cause of health problems and work related stress can't you see how horribly racist it is to import people from other countries to do such manual labour jobs? Why not just go one step further and reintroduce slavery FFS!!

"Out of the 8.5 million "economically inactive" 26% are too sick to work, mostly with long term illness. "

Out of the 9 million economically inactive a very large proportion are sick because they are not or have not been economically active. Getting them back to work for many would fundamentally improve their long term health.

"Of those that are economically inactive that want to work, so 1.9 million, only 30,000 of them are what's called 'discouraged workers' the ones who could be encouraged into work. For the rest the practical barriers to work may be much higher, even if they do want a job."

Everyone has practical barriers to work such as childcare, retraining, transport etc and if this needs investment (because that is exactly what it is) by the government in subsidising childcare, retraining, transport etc then absolutely the government should make that investment because it will pay for itself through lower health costs etc and higher tax revenues.

The arrogance of pro immigration lobby to be willing to write off the UK's economically inactive as being unwilling or incapable is precisely what creates support for people like Tommy Robinson.

And lastly the argument for importing labour through immigration that are too dangerous or underpaid for UK nationals to do is horribly racist and reminiscent of the argument for using slave labour in Caribbean sugar plantations. How about instead making these jobs safer and better paid and providing the necessary training that UK workers are willing to do them?

Username1478: Posting facts about immigration.

SYL apologists:

Asylum seekers make up a very small percentage of immigrants in the UK. The vast majority are brought in legally. If you're complaining that asylum seekers are taking jobs - they can't work when their application is being processed. Taking up public services, impossible there aren't enough of them to put a strain on public services, they're about 3% of immigrants.

We can't control our own borders. We've got hundreds crossing in illegally on boats every day and once they're here they mostly will stay here.

You don’t want immigrants to come here and do the work; you don’t want people who are not working to do the work so what do you want exactly?

The government brings in foreign students and people to work in the NHS and fill skills gaps we don't have such as engineering.

We've agreed that failing public services are largely responsible for why some people are out of work.

They aren't necessarily trained in the skills we're importing people to do. National Minimum Wage work doesn't pay enough to keep a roof over your head and put food on the table.

What's your solution?

You're overstating the health benefits of work. The mental health benefits of working peak at just 8hrs a week. Manual labour is the direct cause of a multitude of health problems and work related stress the driver of many more. The former don't really improve on retirement but the latter do.

Both the employed & unemployed are counted as economically active, the economically inactive are simply those that don't fit into either category, including students, the retired, those too ill to work, carers, those who don't need to work etc.

Out of the 8.5 million "economically inactive" 26% are too sick to work, mostly with long term illness.

Of those that are economically inactive that want to work, so 1.9 million, only 30,000 of them are what's called 'discouraged workers' the ones who could be encouraged into work. For the rest the practical barriers to work may be much higher, even if they do want a job.

There's no way that your approach would make up for the loss of immigrants.

@username1478

"The government need to invest in vital services so that people can work. The NHS is fighting fires and people are reaching a point of crisis before their health issues are dealt with. Mental health support is virtually non existent.

We have some of the most expensive childcare in Europe and bus services have been cut. Getting people back to work means investment, it's not a simple issue."

I completely agree with you that it will require investment by the government. And it is an investment in the truest sense because by getting as many as possible of the 9 million economically inactive back into work it:
Reduces physical and mental health care costs
Reduces incapacity benefits
Avoids the social cost of feeling disenfranchised and ignored by society
Creates better family and community stability
Lastly it creates tax revenue

However what I find completely unacceptable is the willingness of the pro immigration lobby to right off the 9 million economically inactive UK citizens as unemployable and beyond help, therefore requiring the UK to import labour through migration.

Sounds like you know TL personally - as you speak so elequently on his behalf - and apparently seem to know how his mind works

Really disappointed in some of you. The way you speak completely is not acceptable and the lack of empathy and respect for others opinions and mistakes is outstanding!

I admitted I made a mistake on one point about the clubs. The matter still remains we are loosing businesses.

Some of you are so desperate to show that you are so loyal to someone like Lenon Tommy doesn’t care about anyone but himself and pockets.

Whilst you follow his advice and rhetoric it has lead some people to being arrested. That’s problematic enough because he is taking advantage of some of the vulnerable and angry people.

He is not a patriot or leader. He doesn’t care about you all who are being extremely divisive in this thread.