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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:01

Melonportal · 25/10/2024 17:48

Yes, but not this one.

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That’s interesting. Are you willing to say why? Where do you care and where do t you?

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Falseshamrok · 25/10/2024 18:01

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:36

There are ongoing costs related to using Tesla infrastructure.

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What costs?

Snorlaxo · 25/10/2024 18:00

I use a iPhone which has a well documented history of terrible working practices at the factories where it’s produced so do not look at Tesla owners and think Nazi.

Most people in the West use gadgets with lithium batteries despite the cruelty that goes on with mining the needed elements.

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 18:00

DieDreiHexen · 25/10/2024 17:50

I completely disagree with that view.

We don't always feel we have much power in the world. But one of the ways in which we can best exercise the power we do have is by how we spend our money. It is the decent thing to make consumer choices which are, as far as possible consistent with our ethics and hopes for the world. It isn't about the personal becoming political it is about moral consistency.

I wouldn't currently consider buying a Tesla and we got rid of our Tesla shares.

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I bet you haven't got a clue about the political views of the CEOs of 99% of the companies you purchase from though.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:00

Mairzydotes · 25/10/2024 17:47

Do you feel the same about Volkswagen and Hiltler?

Don’t know that link. Don’t own. VW though either. I guess Hitkers influence is historical though rather than current. Although I don’t buy Disney for that reason.

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Scattery · 25/10/2024 18:00

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:36

There are ongoing costs related to using Tesla infrastructure.

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Are those ongoing costs really lining Musk's pockets in a significant way? I'm not sure they are.

In all honesty I am really tired of people attacking other people over choices made years ago. It's simplistic to equate a Tesla owner who bought their Model S eight years ago with Apartheid Clyde himself. And it detracts from the problem by putting people on the defensive.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:59

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 17:44

I think we live in a bizarre age where the personal has become political. I'm sure there are lots of business leaders that I wouldn't entirely agree with politically. Its not generally a reason to not buy products.

True. I do think he has more power and influence perhaps and I find him particularly malodorous.

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ByMerryKoala · 25/10/2024 17:59

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:57

Do I?

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I don't know, do you? I was replying to @MrsAvocet

Thedogscollar · 25/10/2024 17:59

I wouldn't buy one I don't think they look that good. That apart I wouldn't give the EM businesses any of my money.

This is the guy who referred to the British cave diver as "pedo guy" on Twitter because he declined the use of his poxy submarine.

What a horrible man he is. I wouldn't add to his coffers.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:58

TinaYouFatLard · 25/10/2024 17:53

I couldn’t give a toss. I love my Tesla!

Do you consider any of your consumer choices? I’m curious.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:57

ByMerryKoala · 25/10/2024 17:57

You find the charging infrastructure unsettling? How so?

Do I?

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:57

MrsAvocet · 25/10/2024 17:55

It was one of the reasons why we didn't get a Tesla when we were choosing an EV. I know there's no such thing as an ethical big business but I find everything about Elon Musk repugnant and I really didn't want to put any money in his coffers. I know it's a drop in the ocean to him, but on principle I don't want to contribute.
The cars have their plus points and the charging infrastructure is very good (though I also find it a bit unsettling) but I still wouldn't have one.

Same.

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ByMerryKoala · 25/10/2024 17:57

You find the charging infrastructure unsettling? How so?

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:57

FlowerWrath · 25/10/2024 17:42

I think that he is free to support who he wishes as is important in democracy

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No. How do you feel about supporting him with your choice of car? I’m just curious.

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MrsAvocet · 25/10/2024 17:55

It was one of the reasons why we didn't get a Tesla when we were choosing an EV. I know there's no such thing as an ethical big business but I find everything about Elon Musk repugnant and I really didn't want to put any money in his coffers. I know it's a drop in the ocean to him, but on principle I don't want to contribute.
The cars have their plus points and the charging infrastructure is very good (though I also find it a bit unsettling) but I still wouldn't have one.

TinaYouFatLard · 25/10/2024 17:53

I couldn’t give a toss. I love my Tesla!

Drfosters · 25/10/2024 17:52

I have no idea about what is contract with Putin is about but encouraging people to not buy his cars because he has contact with potentially the new (old) President in a few weeks’ time is a bit much IMO. You might not like Trump but clearly a lot of people do and many of them business leaders. His choice as to where he puts his political allegiance and I certainly don’t think that’s wrong in a democracy.

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2024 17:51

Mairzydotes · 25/10/2024 17:47

Do you feel the same about Volkswagen and Hiltler?

People still buy the Daily Mail

DieDreiHexen · 25/10/2024 17:50

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 17:44

I think we live in a bizarre age where the personal has become political. I'm sure there are lots of business leaders that I wouldn't entirely agree with politically. Its not generally a reason to not buy products.

I completely disagree with that view.

We don't always feel we have much power in the world. But one of the ways in which we can best exercise the power we do have is by how we spend our money. It is the decent thing to make consumer choices which are, as far as possible consistent with our ethics and hopes for the world. It isn't about the personal becoming political it is about moral consistency.

I wouldn't currently consider buying a Tesla and we got rid of our Tesla shares.

ByMerryKoala · 25/10/2024 17:49

I don't have a Tesla but political considerations wouldn't be a concern for me if I were considering it.

Melonportal · 25/10/2024 17:48

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:42

Do you care about your other consumer choices ever ? Just curious.

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Yes, but not this one.

Mairzydotes · 25/10/2024 17:47

Do you feel the same about Volkswagen and Hiltler?

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 17:44

I think we live in a bizarre age where the personal has become political. I'm sure there are lots of business leaders that I wouldn't entirely agree with politically. Its not generally a reason to not buy products.

FlowerWrath · 25/10/2024 17:42

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:40

I guess that’s up to you. But how do you feel about it?

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I think that he is free to support who he wishes as is important in democracy

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:42

Melonportal · 25/10/2024 17:40

I don't care at all.

Do you care about your other consumer choices ever ? Just curious.

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