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Melonportal · 25/10/2024 18:12

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:06

So what consumer choices do you make because of principles or values rather than just what you want.

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I don't buy Nestle products because of their promotion of infant formula in developing countries, or The Sun because I used to live in Liverpool, or The Body Shop because of their appalling treatment of JK Rowling. I don't care if other people do though.

Snorlaxo · 25/10/2024 18:11

Gates has links with Epstein and a track record of sexual harassment at Microsoft.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:10

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2024 18:08

Musk is a total bellend.

But SpaceX are doing real science and engineering, which is rare these days.

It's complicated

Yes. As is life. No easy answers.

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TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 18:10

SwedishEdith · 25/10/2024 18:06

I never get this argument. That doesn't mean you can't make buying choices when you do know their views.

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You can do whatever you want. But CEOs of massive global companies are not known for their impeccable morals and plenty of practices of big companies are known to be problematic, yet no one seems to care about them as they aren't the current big bad.

ohdelay · 25/10/2024 18:10

Are you a virtue bot OP? Conducting a survey? Your posting style is very AI.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:10

Snorlaxo · 25/10/2024 18:00

I use a iPhone which has a well documented history of terrible working practices at the factories where it’s produced so do not look at Tesla owners and think Nazi.

Most people in the West use gadgets with lithium batteries despite the cruelty that goes on with mining the needed elements.

Yes. It’s very hard to be a 100% conscientious consumer. I do my best but still plenty of my purchases are not as ethical as I’d like them to be.

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Michelle12A · 25/10/2024 18:09

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SerendipityJane · 25/10/2024 18:08

Musk is a total bellend.

But SpaceX are doing real science and engineering, which is rare these days.

It's complicated

PublicEnemyNo2 · 25/10/2024 18:08

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 17:40

What prompted me thinking was seeing a woman at the charging point who had a Tesla and then thinking that EM is a toxically masculine man, a misogynist, a racist and a supporter of Trump and Putin. I just couldn’t knowingly line his pockets.

Have you got evidence to back up your claims about this man?

Or a very good lawyer?

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:08

Snorlaxo · 25/10/2024 18:05

How far do your boycotts go? For example do you boycott Microsoft products because of Gates? Amazon because of the famous terrible working conditions in warehouses? Delivery services like Uber for their policies on paying workers ?

Not MS because I need it for work and Bill Gates is a philanthropist. I do try and avoid Amazon due to tax evasion and treatment of workers. I can’t say I’m always on that though. It’s an area I fall down on when I need something quickly! No one’s perfect.

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Hoppinggreen · 25/10/2024 18:07

I love my Tesla, I really couldn't give a shiny shite about Musk and Trump though

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:06

Falseshamrok · 25/10/2024 18:06

We bought our Tesla way back. Haven’t had any extra costs that would benefit EM.

I guess it is possible to use other chargers.

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Falseshamrok · 25/10/2024 18:06

And I actually do not like EM. But I love my Tesla. It’s just a car at the end of the day.

SwedishEdith · 25/10/2024 18:06

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 18:00

I bet you haven't got a clue about the political views of the CEOs of 99% of the companies you purchase from though.

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I never get this argument. That doesn't mean you can't make buying choices when you do know their views.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:06

Melonportal · 25/10/2024 18:04

I guess it's hard to explain why you don't care about something. We all have different priorities.

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So what consumer choices do you make because of principles or values rather than just what you want.

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Falseshamrok · 25/10/2024 18:06

We bought our Tesla way back. Haven’t had any extra costs that would benefit EM.

Snorlaxo · 25/10/2024 18:05

How far do your boycotts go? For example do you boycott Microsoft products because of Gates? Amazon because of the famous terrible working conditions in warehouses? Delivery services like Uber for their policies on paying workers ?

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:05

LokiCroc · 25/10/2024 18:02

I dislike Elon Musk, he's a complete bellend. However I do love my Model Y, best car I've ever had. I have no idea about the personal lives of any of the CEOs of brands I buy, I'm sure a lot of them are monsters.

That’s true. I guess his interference in the political landscape and attempts to manipulate via ownership of SM platform makes him stand out to me more. At least it’s transparent I guess?

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MonkeyToHeaven · 25/10/2024 18:04

FlowerWrath · 25/10/2024 17:40

What should I do? Sell it??

Half of America supports trump, should I also ignore their existence?

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Do what you want. But no way do 50% of Americans support Trump. Voter turnout by state ranges from about 50-79%, so even on 50% of the popular vote (which he's never had) it wouldn't be.

Melonportal · 25/10/2024 18:04

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:01

That’s interesting. Are you willing to say why? Where do you care and where do t you?

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I guess it's hard to explain why you don't care about something. We all have different priorities.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:03

Thedogscollar · 25/10/2024 17:59

I wouldn't buy one I don't think they look that good. That apart I wouldn't give the EM businesses any of my money.

This is the guy who referred to the British cave diver as "pedo guy" on Twitter because he declined the use of his poxy submarine.

What a horrible man he is. I wouldn't add to his coffers.

Agree. He’s just awful in so many ways.

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LokiCroc · 25/10/2024 18:02

I dislike Elon Musk, he's a complete bellend. However I do love my Model Y, best car I've ever had. I have no idea about the personal lives of any of the CEOs of brands I buy, I'm sure a lot of them are monsters.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:02

SerendipityJane · 25/10/2024 17:51

People still buy the Daily Mail

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I don’t.

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Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 18:02

DieDreiHexen · 25/10/2024 17:50

I completely disagree with that view.

We don't always feel we have much power in the world. But one of the ways in which we can best exercise the power we do have is by how we spend our money. It is the decent thing to make consumer choices which are, as far as possible consistent with our ethics and hopes for the world. It isn't about the personal becoming political it is about moral consistency.

I wouldn't currently consider buying a Tesla and we got rid of our Tesla shares.

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Good point. Good for you.

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tuberole · 25/10/2024 18:02

I'd have thought EM must be quite damaging to Tesla's brand image at this point? I don't want an electric car so not in the market but would say he would be a contributory factor in me not wanting one.