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FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 14:06

I have agreed to help HR with their investigation (this is not a place where I work). They are sending me emails with a rude 'you will do what we say and comply with our processes because we are higher than you' tone. They have completely missed the point that I am not one of their employees and am doing them a favour. I owe them nothing.

I am in communication with someone else from the company. I want to say something along the lines of.

I am happy to help HR. I am not happy for HR to bully me.

Bully is too strong. I just want them to wind their neck in!

Please help. (I am rubbish at writing corporate emails)

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ElaborateCushion · 25/10/2024 17:40

FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 17:19

I suppose you could call me a run of the mill witness, yes. Only, know an awful lot about a very big scandal.
Holding things up? Quite the contrary. Longest time I took to respond was 5 working days (due to reviewing a long report and writing up a response). They have been delaying and delaying. Took them nearly 2 months to arrange a meeting etc. but they give me 1 week deadlines?

That sounds very much like how HMRC are acting nowadays.

"We want this information and we want it within 2 weeks."

We bust a gut to respond and send the reply within the deadline.

Four months later:

"We want more information and we want it within 2 weeks."

I feel your pain!

FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 17:32

ItTook9Years · 25/10/2024 17:30

Obviously not getting the full story here but maybe asking for a chat would be better than ranting on here.

I was just answering your question.

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ItTook9Years · 25/10/2024 17:30

Obviously not getting the full story here but maybe asking for a chat would be better than ranting on here.

FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 17:19

ItTook9Years · 25/10/2024 17:04

So you’re a run of the mill witness (not an expert). Are you holding things up?

whilst I don’t think any rude emails are acceptable, you have no idea how frustrating it is to try and drive these processes when everyone else thinks they know everything better. <pours wine>

I suppose you could call me a run of the mill witness, yes. Only, know an awful lot about a very big scandal.
Holding things up? Quite the contrary. Longest time I took to respond was 5 working days (due to reviewing a long report and writing up a response). They have been delaying and delaying. Took them nearly 2 months to arrange a meeting etc. but they give me 1 week deadlines?

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ItTook9Years · 25/10/2024 17:06

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/10/2024 15:00

Go for the nuclear option.

I would have grave concerns regarding the authenticity of statements/evidence provided to an external, impartial investigator if I continue to be prevented from having clear sight of what is apparently being sent in my name. In order to avoid any confusion or suspicion of impropriety and inherent breach of Professional Standards and Statutory requirements, I must therefore restate my position that under no circumstances is any communication in my name to be forwarded to the independent investigator without my prior approval.

Moreover, in view of the tone of the most recent response to my voicing concern about this potential conflict of interest on the part of <company name> having control over all evidence provided to the Independent Investigator (including that of an entirely separate individual who is assisting the investigation purely as a goodwill gesture), I therefore wish to communicate solely with the investigator directly with immediate effect and require their contact details by return <if you don't have them>.

<cc Independent Investigator if you already have their details>

It's a 'fuck you, you're tampering with the evidence, you lying bastards, and I'm going to make sure they know it' email.

In order to avoid any confusion or suspicion of impropriety and inherent breach of Professional Standards and Statutory requirements, I must therefore restate my position that under no circumstances is any communication in my name to be forwarded to the independent investigator without my prior approval.

My team would love that.

To what “Professional Standards and Statutory requirements” are you referring?

Lifelover16 · 25/10/2024 17:04

Unacceptably overbearing attitude

ItTook9Years · 25/10/2024 17:04

So you’re a run of the mill witness (not an expert). Are you holding things up?

whilst I don’t think any rude emails are acceptable, you have no idea how frustrating it is to try and drive these processes when everyone else thinks they know everything better. <pours wine>

DemonicCaveMaggot · 25/10/2024 17:03

'I do not appreciate the tone of your emails. I am not your subordinate or an employee of X company, I am helping you purely on a voluntary basis and I would like this reflected in your future communications or I will be reconsidering my involvement'.

That might be a bit strong though.

Richtea67 · 25/10/2024 16:17

Amanitacae · 25/10/2024 14:10

’please reconsider the authoritative tone of these messages to me. I’ve agreed to help with this in my own time, but I refuse to respond to this style of communication’

?

I would go with this. Can you speak to someone on the phone also, in case you're getting automated messages.

BigBoysDontCry · 25/10/2024 16:14

As you are aware I have agreed to provide x services on a purely voluntary basis. As such I would appreciate for HR colleagues to use a more appropriate tone in what is essentially a collaborative arrangement rather than me feeling that they are dictating the extent of my contribution and involvement.

gettingolderbutcooler · 25/10/2024 16:05

Is this NHS- an SI investigation? If so, then managers of other teams are obliged to participate on a rota and would be in your JD.
If not- sorry!

elderflowerspritzer · 25/10/2024 16:02

Just remind them that you're not an employee and are helping on a voluntary basis, and would therefore appreciate a mutually respectful interaction. If that's not possible then you will be unable to assist further.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 25/10/2024 16:01

They have completely missed the point that I am not one of their employees and am doing them a favour. I owe them nothing.

Then that is exactly what you should tell them. Don't say 'bully.' It comes over as a bit infantile and persecution complex-y.

Say something like 'I would like to remind your HR department that while I am happy to co-operate with their investigation, I am under no obligation to do so. I am not a company employee and I would therefore appreciate a change of tone in their correspondence to me.

Plum02 · 25/10/2024 16:00

But you need to follow the organisation’s HR processes and policies for it to be a fair investigation. If you don’t want to do that, then you’re in fact not happy to help, and shouldn’t volunteer. Of course they’re going to give you direction, they’re responsible for ensuring compliance with their processes. Otherwise they’ll be responsible when there’s an ET and the company receives a large fine for not following its own process…

Orchidzombiewatch · 25/10/2024 16:00

‘Thank you for your email dated XXX.

As I am sure you can appreciate, in situations like this, it is important to me that the external organisation has all of the information I have so that a thorough, non biased and transparent investigation can be carried out.

Therefore, as an external and voluntary agent in the process I feel it’s important for me to be clear that;

  1. I will be sending XYZ to both yourselves and the external provider separately to ensure complete transparency.
  2. I will do this by X date in Y format.’
Daisydaisydaizee · 25/10/2024 15:53

RandomMess · 25/10/2024 14:09

Dictating

This.

Larrythebloodycat · 25/10/2024 15:51

Please bear in mind that I don't work for you, so your deadlines are not my deadlines.

SomeFinElse · 25/10/2024 15:47

@FromTheBubblegumTree - just out of interest, is this to do broadly with the education sector? Please feel free not to say (or PM me), but I’ve had something v similar recently. Feel for you. It’s a lot of responsibility on your shoulders and there’s some murky practices. 💐

EveryBiteinBangkok · 25/10/2024 15:47

"I am writing to clarify my involvement in assisting with your investigation. As I am not an employee of [Company’s Name], my participation is entirely voluntary, and I am providing information solely to aid your team in reaching an informed outcome.
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While I am committed to supporting your efforts, I am not bound by [Company’s Name]’s internal policies or procedures. I respectfully request that my voluntary role is acknowledged, and any requests for information are made with this understanding in mind.*"

FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 15:45

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 25/10/2024 15:32

@FromTheBubblegumTree why the hell are you helping and hr department if you do not work for the company??? this doesnt make sense!

Because HR are being forced to do deal with something. They have hired an external investigator. I have been asked by the company (I am in correspondence with them over a different matter) to help HR with their process and speak with the external investigator as I have crucial evidence. I agreed to this given what is at stake Only HR are trying to pull a fast one because they know the company has messed up.

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SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 25/10/2024 15:44

It's hard to know without seeing the email, but is it the case that you have to agree to comply with their processes if you are to be involved? If so, volunteer or not, the statement is not unreasonable, though the tone does not sound ideal.
Do you feel you have to say something?

thestudio · 25/10/2024 15:41

I know the convo has moved on but I think 'hector' is the word you were originally looking for

EmmaMaria · 25/10/2024 15:39

FromTheBubblegumTree · 25/10/2024 14:32

I'm not sure how to explain it, but I will try.
The investigation is being conducted by a third party (so external to the company) to inform a HR process. HR are trying to control what gets sent to the external investigator. They have already fabricated evidence and missed out important evidence. In the email they basically said, we are sending the investigator information you have provided ...I reminded them that I had formally spoken to them yet, and so asked to see whatever they were sending so I can read it and confirm. That was when they got rude. In sum, HR are trying to manipulate the external process, acting as the middleman.

Ah - that is slightly different. In which case, I would simply respond saying that you will respond to the third party investigating officer directly; you have no intention of entering into any other correspondence with them; and to cease contacting you or else you will block them. Simple as. I wouldn't bother being "polite" about it, just firm. Your involvement is nothing to do with them, and purely a matter for the third party investigator.

LookItsMeAgain · 25/10/2024 15:38

Doingmybest12 · 25/10/2024 14:09

I think they are sending standard messages to say you need to comply with their ways of working while you work for them rather than go off on a tangent or do your own thing. I don't think it means anything more than this.

There are ways to say that and then there are ways to say that.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 25/10/2024 15:32

@FromTheBubblegumTree why the hell are you helping and hr department if you do not work for the company??? this doesnt make sense!