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Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing

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MaryBerrysEyelashes · 25/10/2024 07:33

At the song titles šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚

Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing
Shannon Matthews musical. Sorry but I’m laughing
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BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:44

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:36

"The messed up family" are also not funny. It was a bloody sad situation all round. It's breathtakingly arrogant to assume that of course we'd all find it funny if we watched this show. Are you 15?

As I said in my other reply, not assuming you'd like it. You prob wouldn't. But at least you'd be informed.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:43

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:32

Trouble is Barrygw, if you have to explain a joke it usually means it's not funny. You can bang on all you like about how we just don't get it and need to watch it, but it just makes me less likely to.

Didn't say you didn't get it. Just said if you've not seen you don't actually know what the joke is. If you saw it, you might still hate it.

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:36

"The messed up family" are also not funny. It was a bloody sad situation all round. It's breathtakingly arrogant to assume that of course we'd all find it funny if we watched this show. Are you 15?

CocoapuffPuff · 25/10/2024 13:33

You're quite disturbing, you know that?
How have you managed to bypass your compassion for the real living, now adult, victim of this? Is it something you just don't feel, or do you keep it back, save it for something that is closer to home?

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:32

Trouble is Barrygw, if you have to explain a joke it usually means it's not funny. You can bang on all you like about how we just don't get it and need to watch it, but it just makes me less likely to.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:31

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:21

Is it funny because they are common?

No, it's funny because it was a ridiculous scheme that was never, ever going to work. Stupidity is sometimes amusing.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:30

CocoapuffPuff · 25/10/2024 13:22

Your contempt and enjoyment of someone else's trauma is breathtaking.

Quite clearly missing the point.
I show neither contempt or enjoyment over someone else's trauma.
Sometimes a joke is just funny regardless of the subject matter. The joke (and premise of the movie) here is the fact her Mother hid her to try and scam £50k.
The joke is not the trauma. It's the messed up family.

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:28

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:25

Well.... It would literally be the only way you could give a valid informed opinion.

I don't need to give a "valid and informed opinion". Why would I? I don't watch half the stuff at the cinema or on tv. I read the reviews and decide if I want to watch. I'm sure I'm far to old a demographic for this anyway, probably when I was a twat at Oxbridge I would have thought it was meta or something šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

PattiLupone12 · 25/10/2024 13:26

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:24

I fully take your points.
Pretty sure the movie backer's legal team would have looked into all this tho?
Any true crime drama, humourous or not, would be subject to the same scrutiny? I could be wrong.

You'd think, but Netflix are in all sorts of trouble over Baby Reindeer, so who can tell.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:25

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:22

Lol, why on earth would I watch it šŸ˜‚

Well.... It would literally be the only way you could give a valid informed opinion.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:24

TopG77 · 25/10/2024 13:20

I didn’t say it was libellous. I used libel as an example of how freedom of expression doesn’t include illegality. Adult or not, she’s a high profile victim of crime and very likely has other vulnerabilities. There are probably grounds for an injunction due to those factors alone.

I fully take your points.
Pretty sure the movie backer's legal team would have looked into all this tho?
Any true crime drama, humourous or not, would be subject to the same scrutiny? I could be wrong.

CocoapuffPuff · 25/10/2024 13:22

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:21

Never mentioned "lady brains". Despite the name Mumsnet, I assume that there is a cross section on here. So, for the record, I was in no way being sexist and was not intending to patronise. Surely, attempting to paraphrase me is more patronising?
Just saying, it's based on facts and 90% of people on here will be voicing an opinion on something they haven't seen. But that's the way of the internet these days. This morning's feature on Loose Women sums it up perfectly, each one had an opinion, and each one pointed out they hadn't seen it.
Take a gamble, watch it, if you hate it afterwards then fine. You never know, you might even smile at some of the jokes šŸ˜€

Your contempt and enjoyment of someone else's trauma is breathtaking.

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:22

Lol, why on earth would I watch it šŸ˜‚

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:21

Is it funny because they are common?

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:21

CocoapuffPuff · 25/10/2024 13:12

Goodness, could you possibly be more patronising?

"Pat on the head, there there, nothing to worry your pretty little heads about, over-reacting again dearies? Here I am with my sensible explanation that'll help your little lady brains understand the COMPLEX issues here......don't worry about it, it's aaaaaall fine."

Never mentioned "lady brains". Despite the name Mumsnet, I assume that there is a cross section on here. So, for the record, I was in no way being sexist and was not intending to patronise. Surely, attempting to paraphrase me is more patronising?
Just saying, it's based on facts and 90% of people on here will be voicing an opinion on something they haven't seen. But that's the way of the internet these days. This morning's feature on Loose Women sums it up perfectly, each one had an opinion, and each one pointed out they hadn't seen it.
Take a gamble, watch it, if you hate it afterwards then fine. You never know, you might even smile at some of the jokes šŸ˜€

TopG77 · 25/10/2024 13:20

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:13

Interesting post....
Not libelous as it is factual, just told with humour.
Shannon was a child in 2008! It's now 16 years later, she's in her mid 20's. That's how age works.

I didn’t say it was libellous. I used libel as an example of how freedom of expression doesn’t include illegality. Adult or not, she’s a high profile victim of crime and very likely has other vulnerabilities. There are probably grounds for an injunction due to those factors alone.

Thommasina · 25/10/2024 13:14

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:03

I figured I'd find a thread on here.
While I can understand people's initial outrage (let's look at the title, but not do any further research), the piece itself actually spends it's entire running time mocking Karen Matthews and her barmy scheme to attempt to make £50,000. Shannon is referenced, but is not portrayed. And she is certainly not mocked.
While, certain aspects may have been slightly exaggerated for effect, the movie is based on hard facts:
Karen Matthews DID these things.
Craig Meehan WAS convicted of having child porn on his laptop.
Shannon WAS kept at Michael Donovan's place.
Probably best to just take it all with a pinch of salt if it's not your thing. Musical mockery is nothing new. From Weird Al Yankovic to the Barron Knights.
Yes, Shannon is a real person and she did nothing wrong. But there are numerous documentaries and portrayals of so many innocent people, and not all are flattering. Some are downright evil, but some have a sense of humour.
At the end of the day, there are probably more important things to be concerned with out there.

This is possibly one of the most patronising and un self aware posts I've ever read on Mumsnet, and I've been off and on here for 20 years.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:13

TopG77 · 25/10/2024 12:47

Free speech doesn’t include illegality and never has. If I write things online about someone that are libellous, then I can expect to be sued. If I make a Facebook post instructing people to go and kill a politician, for example, then I will find myself facing criminal charges.
I’d say that they’re treading on thin ice here legally as Shannon Matthews is likely to be classed as vulnerable because she is a child and is a victim of a serious crime. If she suffers harm (physical or psychological) as a result of this then they could definitely find themselves facing legal action. I’d say that there are probably adequate grounds for an injunction at the very least. It wouldn’t be difficult to prove that this could cause significant psychological harm.

Interesting post....
Not libelous as it is factual, just told with humour.
Shannon was a child in 2008! It's now 16 years later, she's in her mid 20's. That's how age works.

CocoapuffPuff · 25/10/2024 13:12

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:03

I figured I'd find a thread on here.
While I can understand people's initial outrage (let's look at the title, but not do any further research), the piece itself actually spends it's entire running time mocking Karen Matthews and her barmy scheme to attempt to make £50,000. Shannon is referenced, but is not portrayed. And she is certainly not mocked.
While, certain aspects may have been slightly exaggerated for effect, the movie is based on hard facts:
Karen Matthews DID these things.
Craig Meehan WAS convicted of having child porn on his laptop.
Shannon WAS kept at Michael Donovan's place.
Probably best to just take it all with a pinch of salt if it's not your thing. Musical mockery is nothing new. From Weird Al Yankovic to the Barron Knights.
Yes, Shannon is a real person and she did nothing wrong. But there are numerous documentaries and portrayals of so many innocent people, and not all are flattering. Some are downright evil, but some have a sense of humour.
At the end of the day, there are probably more important things to be concerned with out there.

Goodness, could you possibly be more patronising?

"Pat on the head, there there, nothing to worry your pretty little heads about, over-reacting again dearies? Here I am with my sensible explanation that'll help your little lady brains understand the COMPLEX issues here......don't worry about it, it's aaaaaall fine."

PattiLupone12 · 25/10/2024 13:12

Think we need to have a long hard look about true crime as entertainment and where this has taken us.

TopG77 · 25/10/2024 13:03

Sartre · 25/10/2024 12:53

I think it’s ’funny’ because the family in question were extremely deprived, uneducated and working-class which goes to show how classist we still are in this country.

I feel for Shannon above all else. She will have spent her life trying to forget about this, now some jumped up private school twats have decided to make a comedy sketch about her.

Those are the people who are the most despised in today’s society. And the saddest thing is that the people who despise them the most tend to be those who identify as ā€œleft wingā€ and ā€œprogressiveā€. Just look at the grooming gang scandal in Greater Manchester. Nobody gave a damn because the girls involved were from poor, dysfunctional backgrounds.

BarryGw · 25/10/2024 13:03

I figured I'd find a thread on here.
While I can understand people's initial outrage (let's look at the title, but not do any further research), the piece itself actually spends it's entire running time mocking Karen Matthews and her barmy scheme to attempt to make £50,000. Shannon is referenced, but is not portrayed. And she is certainly not mocked.
While, certain aspects may have been slightly exaggerated for effect, the movie is based on hard facts:
Karen Matthews DID these things.
Craig Meehan WAS convicted of having child porn on his laptop.
Shannon WAS kept at Michael Donovan's place.
Probably best to just take it all with a pinch of salt if it's not your thing. Musical mockery is nothing new. From Weird Al Yankovic to the Barron Knights.
Yes, Shannon is a real person and she did nothing wrong. But there are numerous documentaries and portrayals of so many innocent people, and not all are flattering. Some are downright evil, but some have a sense of humour.
At the end of the day, there are probably more important things to be concerned with out there.

Butchyrestingface · 25/10/2024 12:57

MaryBerrysEyelashes · 25/10/2024 07:52

Well, don’t be too snobby about it because it’s sold out at four week run at the Edinburgh festival

Take it you're going?

Hold firm, Karens of Mumsnet. Producer was clearly trying to drum up publicity with that quote.

Sartre · 25/10/2024 12:55

ExtraOnions · 25/10/2024 12:09

I think this whole thing is much more likely an exercise on the ethics of Free Speech.

ITV make a Shannon Mathews Drama.. and this is ok, but a musical is not - you have to question
why. ITV make the drama to make money .. is that ok? Is it laughing that’s the problem, or the subject matter ? I doubt it’s the subject matter, as that has been covered hundreds of times. Which means there must be a list of thing that are not to be laughed at .. not sure what that is, or who decides.

Alan Carr made a joke about Shannon Mathews, he seems to be doing ok. Frankie Boyle ditto

TBH .. none of us even know what the musical is about, could be a critique of the sensationalist media .. who knows

ITV made a serious drama which I haven’t seen but I’m assuming it largely followed the facts.

This musical is a comedy sketch taking the piss out of her and the abuse and neglect she experienced as a child.

Sartre · 25/10/2024 12:53

I think it’s ’funny’ because the family in question were extremely deprived, uneducated and working-class which goes to show how classist we still are in this country.

I feel for Shannon above all else. She will have spent her life trying to forget about this, now some jumped up private school twats have decided to make a comedy sketch about her.