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Who is unreasonable, Mil or Ds?

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Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 09:19

So Mil is having DS 11 over. I left some revision for him to do for school. Not something that will be handed in to school, just answering questions to show me so I can see if he's got it or needs more revision. Well, he called me crying telling me to please come and get him because grandma is telling him his writing is awful. Talked to grandma and told her that btw us I didn't care about his writing, just about the facts since it's not a paper to turn in, it's just for me. Also, to no dripfeed, he has always struggled with handwriting but has learnt to write correctly, if not beautifully, so it's something he's quite sensitive about apart from him being a sensitive child.

Mil is angry and says that we indulge him too much and he needs to hear that his handwriting is bad. And in any case he has not to lock himself in the barhroom and call me, it's really rude.
I agree to a certain extent with her but I do think her comment was unnecessary and hurtful. She's not involved with his homework (doesn't know the subject) so if someone should say something it's me. Then again he's overreacting. That's how I feel, would like to hear fellow mums' perspectives..

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Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 11:45

Boomer55 · 24/10/2024 09:46

Granny is right. Your son sounds a drama llama. 🤷‍♀️

Haha oh yes. Extremely sensitive but also extremely empathetic and kind.

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Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 11:43

Flumoxed · 24/10/2024 09:38

If it was all over one comment, it sounds like an overreaction on your son's part. I agree with MIL that it is rude to call you rather than discuss or dismiss it with her. In life you might hear things that upset you, but you need to be able to deal with them without calling mummy. I can't imagine your MIL was deliberately trying to upset your son. Any criticism would probably have been coming from a place of trying to help him improve things.

Yes, absolutely. She loves him dearly so ofcourse her intentions were good. But she did insist on his handwriting without knowing that it was just revision.

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Tiswa · 24/10/2024 11:42

Is he year 6 11 and preparing for something because that does seem excessive

Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 11:40

Procrastinates · 24/10/2024 09:35

Why did he need to do some revision that wasn't actually school work and sounds completely unnecessary. He's 11 why can't he just spend some time with his granny.

Honestly it seems like you just set up a situation which you knew would be high tension for absolutely no reason.

He's spending several days at Mils's. Homework max 30 minutes per day so not excessive.

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Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 11:39

AgainandagainandagainSS · 24/10/2024 09:24

If she was ranting and raving for half an hour, that’s one thing, but to make a ‘comment’ and he flounces off to the bathroom is not on for an 11 year old. He needs to say ‘I know, it’s something am working on’ and crack on with the homework.
So now you have a family drama plus no revision being done…

Apparantly she insisted on his handwriting several times. I know she loves DGS and she probably thought he should make more of an effort.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 24/10/2024 11:38

I’m granny. Ours is still very young but I’d never comment on their writing. Not my place.

Maria1979 · 24/10/2024 11:36

BarbaraHoward · 24/10/2024 09:31

I think it's a bit much to expect grandparents to supervise revision that isn't even homework.

Did she understand that she was just to get him to do it, not to help?

It does sound like she's been a bit too negative, and that he's massively overreacted.

That's the thing, I never ask Mil ti help with homework so I had prepared things for him to do at Mil's. He was working on his own. She just looked at what he was doing because interested.

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rainfallpurevividcat · 24/10/2024 11:35

MIL should butt out. His handwriting is absolutely nothing to do with her and it's clear you have worked on it with him. Hypercritical people are awful to be around.

I8toys · 24/10/2024 11:29

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 09:50

Is his handwriting actually readable by the average person in a reasonable amount of time? Because if it's not, she might have a point. Some children know all the stuff but if they can't write it down they can't pass tests/exams.

They can and do. My son had a requirement for A Level to use computers during the exam. There needs to be a need - the teachers say they can't read his writing - and then history of using computers to take notes. Our 6th form was very accommodating with his exams.

Threelittleduck · 24/10/2024 11:20

The person being most unreasonable was you. If you want to know where he is work wise do it on your time, not MILs
My DD has awful writing and would be upset if her grandparents pointed it out to her (because she already knows, as I'm sure your son does). Has she moaned about your son's writing before? How much did she say to him? I'm also baffled that you and MIL think it's rude for your son to lock himself in the bathroom and call you but it's not rude for her to criticise him,.

CautiousLurker1 · 24/10/2024 11:17

Is grandma’s point that he doesn’t write in cursive? Ie in the way she was taught? Most schools simply prioritise legibility now.

I know I will be an outlier, but I would tell her to butt out as his writing is none of her business and she should apologise/tell him she spoke out of turn. And she did speak out of turn - telling an 11 year old that their writing is ‘bad’ is not a neutral or constructive comment, is it? Unless grandma recently retired from a secondary teaching career and therefore understands what current norms are, she is not qualified to comment - and if this were the case, I’d hope she’d handle her grandson and former pupils with a little more tact and sensitivity.

However, as his mother, I wouldn’t have sent him with homework that wasn’t required for school anyway, so I’d also be apologising for setting up this situation. If there is an underlying reason for the handwriting issue - mild dyspraxia, adhd etc - then I definitely can understand why he may be sensitive about it and likely to get distressed (and also, again, would not have sent homework with him to grandmas).

FSI2024 · 24/10/2024 11:06

I remember seeing a video of a teacher asking Year 1s when you should say something about another person, and when not.

Her rule was "can it be fixed in 60 seconds".

If you say "you have a big spot on your face" can the other person do anything in 60 seconds? No - so dont say anything

If you say "you have jam on your face" can it be fixed in 60 seconds? Yes - so that is fine.

Can your DS change his writing in 60 seconds? No - so it was not her place to say anything. What on earth did she hope to achieve???

If DS reacted that way though - it appears either he wants help as is conscious about it, or he needs to learn resilience.

BarbaraHoward · 24/10/2024 11:04

I feel sorry for the kid. Mum is giving him unnecessary extra homework and granny is carping about his handwriting.

Right?

Hoardasurass · 24/10/2024 11:03

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 09:50

Is his handwriting actually readable by the average person in a reasonable amount of time? Because if it's not, she might have a point. Some children know all the stuff but if they can't write it down they can't pass tests/exams.

Actually they're allowed to use voice to text or type these days if there's an issue with handwriting and scribes when a computer can't be used.
My ds has both dyslexia and severe hypermobility in his hands which renders his handwriting illegible and is 1 of many who don't have to write to pass exams

MissEsmeWatson · 24/10/2024 11:01

When your MIL was at school it was probably taken much more seriously, and she may have assumed he'd get in trouble for messy writing. Seems a small thing for him to get so upset about though, I think he must have been feeling down to start with and her comment put the tin lid on it. Basically a storm in a teacup OP, perhaps you and DS could visit and take a cake and talk it out?

FictionalCharacter · 24/10/2024 10:57

BarbaraHoward · 24/10/2024 09:31

I think it's a bit much to expect grandparents to supervise revision that isn't even homework.

Did she understand that she was just to get him to do it, not to help?

It does sound like she's been a bit too negative, and that he's massively overreacted.

Nothing in the OP suggests that the grandma was expected to supervise. He was just given work to do while he was there. I don't think OP should have given him work though. And grandma shouldn't just tell him his writing is "awful" and get angry. If she wants to help him improve his writing that's fine, but telling a child his writing is awful achieves nothing. It's not like he can just go "oh ok, I'll write better from now on, thanks for pointing that out".

I feel sorry for the kid. Mum is giving him unnecessary extra homework and granny is carping about his handwriting.

Flumoxed · 24/10/2024 10:53

As a complete aside, I must say how nice it is that (on a thread mentioning MiLs) the comments aren't all immediately bashing the mil and demanding you go no contact! 🥳

WellyBellyBoo · 24/10/2024 10:39

If granny is babysitting and it's her house then I'd say he needs to at least be polite. He has over reacted and been rude to her. Teach him about controlling what he can (ie his behaviour) rather than getting angry with what he can't. I think it's odd he is having to do this work at his granny's though. It sounds unnecessary for him to do it there if at all.

MiraculousLadybug · 24/10/2024 10:28

ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets · 24/10/2024 10:07

Of course they can.

My DS13's handwriting is appalling. Forcing cursive in primary has had a terrible effect on loads of kids, and it's really hard to unlearn.
Now he's in secondary, they've given him a laptop to do his work on and everything is fine. He gets his work done and everyone can read it.

Not every child gets a laptop due to bad writing and not every child succeeds in spite of handwriting problems. 🙄

I was an examiner for years and you would not believe how poor some of the writing was and if the writing is totally illegible despite your best efforts then they get zero marks.

Handwriting matters and you can't depend on getting a laptop (which is usually a disability adjustment) as an excuse for not working on it. I'm not talking about cursive and OP didn't seem to be either. I'm talking about putting letters on a page that others can read, as I stated in the post you quoted.

ABirdsEyeView · 24/10/2024 10:28

If gran is looking after him, why do you need to control what they do in that time? Plenty of opportunity to do homework at home, where it's meant to be done. You've set up situation where conflict is almost inevitable - you ask her to supervise then moan when she doesn't do it like you would!

Now I do have some sympathy with your child - my mum was always going on to my dd about her makeup or her clothes. All that happens is that kids stop wanting to visit so much, because they just feel criticised.
So it depends how her comments were made and whether they were just a passing remark or loaded with criticism.

Tell mil that you son knows his writing needs improvement and is working on it, so please be tactful. Tell your son that gran meant to help and that older generations were taught differently at school and are speaking as they were spoken to in an attempt to teach - there was no intention to be hurtful.

And chill with the extra unnecessary homework and let your kid be a kid on a visit to grandma!

I8toys · 24/10/2024 10:25

I think handwriting was a big thing in the past. My son has absolutely awful handwriting and we think is probably dyspraxic but he has used computers for exams and they use mostly computers at his uni so its not an issue. I'd leave off taking homework that's none essential to his grandmas.

SanFranBear · 24/10/2024 10:23

Have to agree with the comments questioning why he is even having to do this not-set-homework homework when he's with his GM...

eggsandwich · 24/10/2024 10:20

When he doesn’t want to go to granny’s now you know why?

DaisyChain505 · 24/10/2024 10:19

Let the kid have a day off and just spend time at his Granny’s without having to think about school work.

If she made one passing comment about his handwriting and he ran off crying to the bathroom he sounds rather sensitive and over reactive.

Topseyt123 · 24/10/2024 10:12

Procrastinates · 24/10/2024 09:35

Why did he need to do some revision that wasn't actually school work and sounds completely unnecessary. He's 11 why can't he just spend some time with his granny.

Honestly it seems like you just set up a situation which you knew would be high tension for absolutely no reason.

I agree with this.

So it wasn't even set as school homework. He really didn't need to be doing it anyway and should just have been spending quality time with his grandma.

Why the need to set him this task? You don't need to be driving him on every moment like this.