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Swim teaching - To struggle to think of reasonable adjustments for ADHD?

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Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 21:38

So Jenny (not real name) has ADHD and is a swimming teacher.
She presents in a very hyper state for work, is often late and arrives disheveled, disorganised and dysregulated. She also may not have the things she needs with her. In the pool, she is very heightened, which can present as either hyperactive and loud, or dysregulated, snappy, tearful etc. If the children in the pool are struggling to regulate, she becomes very frantic and cries. Jenny does have things going on in her personal life, but she leads a life which appears to lurch from one drama to another, and the people (family) around her exacerbate issues. To add balance, Jenny is also very thoughtful and kind, she does not have a good support network at home, and does want to do well at work.
Her workplace want to put in place reasonable adjustments to support her and enable her to do her job effectively but it is very difficult to think how her ADHD could be accommodated in a swimming pool setting, as things like a quiet room to work in, softer lighting, headphones on etc wouldn't work for a swimming teacher! In terms of her lateness, the way the business operates means she chooses which days she works already. It is so difficult balancing supporting her, with keeping the children in the pool safe and ensuring they are getting effective teaching. I would welcome any suggestions.

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chuffincold · 23/10/2024 22:30

Has she recently qualified?
SE or STA?
How did she get on with the course?
Whilst you're looking at adjustments what does she want adjustment wise?
She has got to want to help herself rather than expect you to do it all just because she wants to teach

Halfblindbunny · 23/10/2024 22:30

Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 22:26

Thanks all, you are confirming my thoughts exactly.

Just to clarify for those of you who are (rightly!) concerned, because of Jenny's difficulties, we do not ever leave her alone in the pool with the children, there is always another teacher in with her. This is not sustainable long term but the extra training/support was to see if we could help her learn to better regulate herself in the water once the job became more familiar to her.

There is a reason they are called reasonable adjustments. How long have you basically being paying two people to do one job? Because it is not reasonable to expect you to do that long term. What has she done to help herself during this time? Has she suggested anything that may help with how she handles the pool environment/children?

PrimalOwl10 · 23/10/2024 22:30

How did she qualify,? surely these issues would have came up on her course? Why does she have her own lessons? Can she assist a teacher instead of taking a leading role?

Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 22:26

Thanks all, you are confirming my thoughts exactly.

Just to clarify for those of you who are (rightly!) concerned, because of Jenny's difficulties, we do not ever leave her alone in the pool with the children, there is always another teacher in with her. This is not sustainable long term but the extra training/support was to see if we could help her learn to better regulate herself in the water once the job became more familiar to her.

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LynetteScavo · 23/10/2024 22:25

It's sounds as though reasonable adjustments are being made for Jenny already.

Jenny needs to take on the responsibility of not being late, having thinks in place to make sure she is on time and has all of her equipment. I think an employer can offer advice on what might help, but ultimately it's up to Jenny to implement these.

Does Jenny have a diagnosis and take medication? It sounds as though she could benefit from professional help before she loses her job.

MumblesParty · 23/10/2024 22:22

ManhattanPopcorn · 23/10/2024 22:17

Jenny is in the wrong job.

This.
Just because we want to do a job, doesn’t mean we can. I might want to be a model but I’m not pretty enough. And I’m not clever enough to be a professor of astrophysics. And I’m not patient enough to make mosaics.
Jenny doesn’t have the right temperament to teach kids to swim. Regardless of whether someone has ADHD, ASD or just personality traits, if their temperament doesn’t fit the job, then there are no “reasonable adjustments” that can facilitate it.

DoreenonTill8 · 23/10/2024 22:22

Sorry but another parent saying it just doesn't sound like it will work unfortunately child safety is priority.
Surely parents must have noticed her becoming frantic and distressed and leaving the children alone in the pool?
We sit poolside at swimming lessons, but up on the stands, I think there would likely be mass parental panic if the instructor got out and left 4yos in the pool?

Ouncesnow · 23/10/2024 22:20

I can’t believe the parents are just accepting this behaviour tbh. My child would not be going back to that lesson if the swimming teacher got frantic and cried. Sorry OP safety first, she needs a different role.

AnneLovesGilbert · 23/10/2024 22:18

How long has she had the job? Have you addressed any of this with her? What feedback are the parents giving?

You cannot compromise safety. There are few more dangerous places for children to be with an adult who’s not in control than water!

BeMintBee · 23/10/2024 22:17

This is the wrong job for her. She cannot co-regulate children and keep them safe whilst she is so dysregulated herself. You can make adjustments for the organisation side of things but fundamentally she cannot regulate herself and doesn’t seem to have any strategies or insight into how to help herself.

I would be surprised at parents witnessing this and still keep paying for lessons with this girl.

ManhattanPopcorn · 23/10/2024 22:17

Jenny is in the wrong job.

PrimalOwl10 · 23/10/2024 22:13

I'm a swimming teacher. We can't be late for lessons. We also can't leave children unattended and cry and become frantic. It doesn't sound like the job is suitable to her needs. There's alot for sensory overload at swimming pools lights,noise, temperature etc. She might be better teaching 121 sessions where she can focus on 1 child or 2 to 1

DuckBee · 23/10/2024 22:13

Have you approached access to work for an assessment?

Mandylovescandy · 23/10/2024 22:13

I don't know but maybe another job might be better for her. I would leave/complain if I was the parent here. One of my DS is autistic and would not cope with her as a teacher at all and doesn't sound like many children can enjoy her lessons or be safe

IKEAJesus · 23/10/2024 22:12

Do you offer adult lessons? Or is there a different, non-teaching, role she could be moved to?

TBH it sounds like she’s never actually going to be competent to do this particular role.

Blanketyre · 23/10/2024 22:10

Swimming has to have safety as a priority, rather than some wishy washy sense of Jenny needing to be accommodated because she's nice.

Find her another role where her dysregulation won't end in a child drowning.

Gotabadfeelingaboutthis · 23/10/2024 22:07

@September1013 "If she is finding the pool environment and/or the behaviour of the children overwhelming then I’m not sure there’s much that can be done." I think that is the problem, it is exactly this.

Thanks for the ideas, we have ensured there are always clean, spare t shirts and kit at the pool for her to use if she needs to. Her hours are consistent so it is easier for her to remember them.

We have tried 1-1 lessons but the reason most people are in a 1-1 lesson rather than a group lesson is because they are extremely nervous or have some sort of additional needs. Both of these don't really work with her because she is so dysregulated herself, she cannot help them to be calm and regulated. Also, when she becomes overwhelmed/distracted/dysregulated we can't compromise the safety of the student in the water with her so are not willing to have her working alone in the water. She does work better with the older children in the group classes, but only if there are no behaviour issues, (like ones who struggle to keep hold of the rail when waiting their turn etc)

She is a lovely girl whose heart is in the right place, but I am just concerned that however well intentioned she is, the safety of the swimmers and the other staff has to take priority.

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HappyTwo · 23/10/2024 22:04

I have ADHD and I am sorry I am not going to be as kind as the other poster with ADHD! Children's safety is at risk - Jenny needs to be getting written warnings for lateness ect. Offer to sit down with her and discuss timing for getting ready for work if you want to - ie what time she needs to wake up, what she needs to pack the day before etc etc....but you can't really solve the emotional dysregulation thing unless she agrees to see a therapist.

People with ADHD absolutely do very well if we find jobs we want to hyperfocus on - if Janny is not shining at work then swim teacher might not be the right thing for her and better to help her explore another profession.

Blanketyre · 23/10/2024 22:01

Jenny sounds like a liability.

What do you mean she gets frantic when the kids are trying to regulate??

1apenny2apenny · 23/10/2024 22:00

I'm wondering how she got the job as it doesn't sound as if it suits her. Another who would not be happy if my child was in the pool with this person,

What does she say when she's late? Does she realise all the things you've listed and acknowledges they need to be dealt with?

MsChatterbox · 23/10/2024 21:56

My young children are learning to swim and we would be finding a new teacher in this situation. It doesn't sound like this role is suited to her.

PrincessFairyWren · 23/10/2024 21:55

I think our responses could be more helpful if we knew if you were her manager at the pool, a caring friend or parent or a professional consultant.

— laminated lists of materials required.

  • a laminated time table.
  • a waterproof tub to keep these items together
  • a brief catch up ten minutes before the first lesson to recap what she has to do today
  • a meeting with her supervisor to discuss the situation. She is probably feeling a great deal of shame and this will add to the stress that is impacting her executive functioning.
Halfblindbunny · 23/10/2024 21:53

There are various things you can do to help the organisational aspects but sometimes people are just not suited to a job. A teacher who can't cope with disregulated children is never going to work.

AnneLovesGilbert · 23/10/2024 21:52

Nameychangington · 23/10/2024 21:46

If the children in the pool are struggling to regulate, she becomes very frantic and cries

This isn't ok, for your employee or your customers. Being frantic and crying while non swimming children are in a swimming pool under your care cannot happen. Are you taking this seriously enough?

Agree. As someone with a young child who’s new to swimming I find what’s been described terrifying. Her safety is my number one priority, I don’t care if the teacher is dishevelled but not freaking out while in charge of making sure my daughter doesn’t fucking drown is essential rather than optional.

Serencwtch · 23/10/2024 21:50

The safety & well-being of the children needs to come first & it's not a 'reasonable' adjustment to compromise that.
Having a disability doesn't mean someone can be incompetent, someone teaching children should not be crying & becoming dysregulated by children being children.

Can she move to teaching adults or teaching 1:1 or move to a job where she is coaching older children in a club.

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