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A Maximum BMI for nurses

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soapydopeybubbles · 23/10/2024 20:17

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/21/how-public-thinks-nhs-should-change/

According to the Telegraph one of the most popular ideas for improving the NHS is to have a maximum BMI for nurses. This is from the website set up for suggestions but also continues in the comments for the article.

I'm a neonatal nurse and I am classed as obese. I wear L/XL scrubs and I'm a dress size 14-16.

Does the public honestly think that I'd be a better nurse if I was thinner? Or, as written in the comments, if I wore a cap and apron, had no tattoos and didn't dye my hair?

I'm a large woman but I'm pretty sure I wasn't magically better and making up complex medications, changing ridiculously tiny nappies and resuscitating sick newborns when I was rather thinner than I am now.

I can see why people might have the opinion that if we're giving out health advice we should lead by example but it's mainly the doctors giving the advice and the nurses doing the hands on caring.

I just don't understand why there seems to be such a focus on how a particular staff group looks, rather than the actual issues in the NHS.

AIBU?

Weight limits for nurses and charging tourists – how public thinks NHS should change

Bizarre online suggestions blight first day of Government’s consultation

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/21/how-public-thinks-nhs-should-change

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GreengrassofW · 25/10/2024 10:22

@blossomtoes Yes I was astonished to read that too what on earth is going on!

BIossomtoes · 25/10/2024 09:10

GreengrassofW · 25/10/2024 08:35

The Telegraph has become more right wing than ever recently. Awful.

It’s surprised me this morning. There’s a paean of praise for Rayner by Isabel Oakeshott of all people and an article that could have been written by any Labour voter on here by Judith Woods. Not only am I astonished, I’m also suspicious.

Alexandra2001 · 25/10/2024 08:47

Pumpkinsoup24 · 25/10/2024 07:42

I wouldn't want my hair cut by a hairdresser with crap hair, nor ould I want a nurse who was obese. I'm not the only person to think it, maybe just say it. Sorry if that hurts everyone feelings, but then we do live in a world now where most people don't like the hard truth.

You re not sick enough then are you, to need a nurse....

the bottom line is if you were screaming in pain following a fall or another painful condition, you'd not give a shiny shit who administered treatment and you'd be grateful for it.

this "survey" is just diversion, the public in the main are getting fatter, but instead of addressing that, lets find someone else to blame.

why do these sorts of articles and attitudes always, every time, come from the rightwing?

GreengrassofW · 25/10/2024 08:35

The Telegraph has become more right wing than ever recently. Awful.

Calliopespa · 25/10/2024 08:15

Pumpkinsoup24 · 25/10/2024 07:42

I wouldn't want my hair cut by a hairdresser with crap hair, nor ould I want a nurse who was obese. I'm not the only person to think it, maybe just say it. Sorry if that hurts everyone feelings, but then we do live in a world now where most people don't like the hard truth.

It isn’t hard truth.

It’s an attitude, and it’s not mine, and not plenty of other people’s.

And I can’t stand my hairdresser’s hairstyle but she cuts mine well because she is professional and listens to how I like it and does her job. I don’t require her to look a certain way.

Bubblemonkey · 25/10/2024 08:10

My husband is “obese” - he’s a nurse. He has fat as does most of the population, but he isn’t fat. He lifts weights 5-6 days a week 🤷🏼‍♀️ I’m not a nurse but work a HCA at the hospital, I’m also fat & have health issues, absolutely nothing to do with my weight though. I’m perfectly capable of doing 99% of what everyone else can do - I just can’t lift heavy on my own due to having a hernia following on from surgery.

Pumpkinsoup24 · 25/10/2024 07:48

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/10/2024 00:51

Fat is a feminist issue, a class issue and a working conditions issue. Guess which role has the underpaid, female shift workers?

And if being judgemental and mean is allowed, it's "aren't".

No. That's just plain petty. Never understand why people try to correct someone's spelling or grammar online as when we all type fast on a tiny little phone keyboard. You must be a slow typer! I have a degree in Geology so your option on my phone spelling certainly is like water off a ducks back.

BearyJBilge · 25/10/2024 07:47

Pumpkinsoup24 · 25/10/2024 07:42

I wouldn't want my hair cut by a hairdresser with crap hair, nor ould I want a nurse who was obese. I'm not the only person to think it, maybe just say it. Sorry if that hurts everyone feelings, but then we do live in a world now where most people don't like the hard truth.

Surely you wouldn’t want your hair cut by the hairdresser’s hairdresser, assuming they don’t cut their own hair?

Pumpkinsoup24 · 25/10/2024 07:42

Calliopespa · 25/10/2024 00:26

This is just such an obnoxious comment. Ultimately the whole approach is discriminating against people because of their bodies which is one of the most superficial attitudes there is.

The staff are paid to do their job. They aren’t paid to have to alter their appearance because people might take umbrage at who says what to them. If people want to listen to advice, they are free to listen. If they want to get arsey about what the person telling them looks like, well that’s their loss and their problem.

I wouldn't want my hair cut by a hairdresser with crap hair, nor ould I want a nurse who was obese. I'm not the only person to think it, maybe just say it. Sorry if that hurts everyone feelings, but then we do live in a world now where most people don't like the hard truth.

BellaKent · 25/10/2024 05:10

I’m a theatre nurse, also a size 14-16.
I hadn’t read that article but frankly it’s a ridiculous concept.
I would love to find the time to eat very healthily but am forever rushed off my feet .
The surgeons often supply us with biscuits and sweets so when energy levels drop I find myself eating these on a much needed break!
Plus I feel I need to be quite strong for the positioning of patients, wheeling the trolleys, transferring the patient from trolley to table etc…
It’s terrible that nurses are constantly judged whilst doing a very difficult job.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/10/2024 00:51

Pumpkinsoup24 · 24/10/2024 23:49

Lead by example. The government want to save the NHS by making us all healthier....and I've herd plenty passing comments from people in hospital who think it's double standards that we have to improve our health but the staff are fat. Most consultants arnt unhealthy, maybe because they are smarter and understand consequences? Certainly wonder why the nurses are so big.

Fat is a feminist issue, a class issue and a working conditions issue. Guess which role has the underpaid, female shift workers?

And if being judgemental and mean is allowed, it's "aren't".

Calliopespa · 25/10/2024 00:26

Pumpkinsoup24 · 24/10/2024 23:49

Lead by example. The government want to save the NHS by making us all healthier....and I've herd plenty passing comments from people in hospital who think it's double standards that we have to improve our health but the staff are fat. Most consultants arnt unhealthy, maybe because they are smarter and understand consequences? Certainly wonder why the nurses are so big.

This is just such an obnoxious comment. Ultimately the whole approach is discriminating against people because of their bodies which is one of the most superficial attitudes there is.

The staff are paid to do their job. They aren’t paid to have to alter their appearance because people might take umbrage at who says what to them. If people want to listen to advice, they are free to listen. If they want to get arsey about what the person telling them looks like, well that’s their loss and their problem.

Pumpkinsoup24 · 24/10/2024 23:49

Lead by example. The government want to save the NHS by making us all healthier....and I've herd plenty passing comments from people in hospital who think it's double standards that we have to improve our health but the staff are fat. Most consultants arnt unhealthy, maybe because they are smarter and understand consequences? Certainly wonder why the nurses are so big.

anon666 · 24/10/2024 23:22

Body fascism from the judgiest group in society, the upper middle class.

Honestly we have enough trouble recruiting and retaining nurses without these out of touch loons trying to decrease the talent pool arbitrarily.

🙄

Notice the same people moaning about others are the first and most vociferous to complain when they are under scrutiny ( Daily Fail screeching about WFA?)

CommonAsMucklowe · 24/10/2024 23:12

I know a community nurse who drinks two bottles of wine a night. People can't always practice what they preach.

TiredGoingToBed · 24/10/2024 22:36

soapydopeybubbles · 23/10/2024 20:17

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/21/how-public-thinks-nhs-should-change/

According to the Telegraph one of the most popular ideas for improving the NHS is to have a maximum BMI for nurses. This is from the website set up for suggestions but also continues in the comments for the article.

I'm a neonatal nurse and I am classed as obese. I wear L/XL scrubs and I'm a dress size 14-16.

Does the public honestly think that I'd be a better nurse if I was thinner? Or, as written in the comments, if I wore a cap and apron, had no tattoos and didn't dye my hair?

I'm a large woman but I'm pretty sure I wasn't magically better and making up complex medications, changing ridiculously tiny nappies and resuscitating sick newborns when I was rather thinner than I am now.

I can see why people might have the opinion that if we're giving out health advice we should lead by example but it's mainly the doctors giving the advice and the nurses doing the hands on caring.

I just don't understand why there seems to be such a focus on how a particular staff group looks, rather than the actual issues in the NHS.

AIBU?

I wish I was as large as you aren’t.
Sadly I don’t seem to be going in the right direction at all. X

CrowleyKitten · 24/10/2024 22:32

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 24/10/2024 21:00

I think medical professionals who are giving out advice on weight, diet, nutrition etc should be healthy.

Aside from that I can't see how or why it would make any difference.

I mean, yes and no. they're not setting the best example, but they do know what advice to give.
just like someone shouldn't have to be trying to have children in order to give advice to someone trying to conceive.

CrowleyKitten · 24/10/2024 22:28

soapydopeybubbles · 23/10/2024 20:17

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/21/how-public-thinks-nhs-should-change/

According to the Telegraph one of the most popular ideas for improving the NHS is to have a maximum BMI for nurses. This is from the website set up for suggestions but also continues in the comments for the article.

I'm a neonatal nurse and I am classed as obese. I wear L/XL scrubs and I'm a dress size 14-16.

Does the public honestly think that I'd be a better nurse if I was thinner? Or, as written in the comments, if I wore a cap and apron, had no tattoos and didn't dye my hair?

I'm a large woman but I'm pretty sure I wasn't magically better and making up complex medications, changing ridiculously tiny nappies and resuscitating sick newborns when I was rather thinner than I am now.

I can see why people might have the opinion that if we're giving out health advice we should lead by example but it's mainly the doctors giving the advice and the nurses doing the hands on caring.

I just don't understand why there seems to be such a focus on how a particular staff group looks, rather than the actual issues in the NHS.

AIBU?

I know quite a lot of nurses. most of them are a bit on the chubbier side, and usually have lots of tattoos. dyed hair is also popular. they're all great nurses.
okay, so it's not a great example to set. but no fat nurse has ever blamed my chronic pain on me being a bit overweight. others have. they HAVE said it might help if I lost a bit, but they've never said it's the reason, because they know it's not.

if they set a maximum BMI, they're going to lose a lot of good, well trained nurses from a career path already struggling to retain staff.

while I'm glad to see the back of the Tories, the new lot seem to think all of societies ills are caused by some people being overweight.

Hankunamatata · 24/10/2024 22:13

Our hospital used to have amazing canteen 15 years ago. Massive healthy salad bar, fresh fruit etc. Really nice healthy food at reasonable prices. Now its slop most of the time and only open during the day. Vending machines only have high calorie snacks. Make healthier food in hospitals would be a start

LLresident · 24/10/2024 21:54

soapydopeybubbles · 23/10/2024 20:17

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/21/how-public-thinks-nhs-should-change/

According to the Telegraph one of the most popular ideas for improving the NHS is to have a maximum BMI for nurses. This is from the website set up for suggestions but also continues in the comments for the article.

I'm a neonatal nurse and I am classed as obese. I wear L/XL scrubs and I'm a dress size 14-16.

Does the public honestly think that I'd be a better nurse if I was thinner? Or, as written in the comments, if I wore a cap and apron, had no tattoos and didn't dye my hair?

I'm a large woman but I'm pretty sure I wasn't magically better and making up complex medications, changing ridiculously tiny nappies and resuscitating sick newborns when I was rather thinner than I am now.

I can see why people might have the opinion that if we're giving out health advice we should lead by example but it's mainly the doctors giving the advice and the nurses doing the hands on caring.

I just don't understand why there seems to be such a focus on how a particular staff group looks, rather than the actual issues in the NHS.

AIBU?

Take no notice ! I’m a nurse, these people have no clue.

Calliopespa · 24/10/2024 21:50

To be honest when having my babies I always hoped for a nice cuddly-looking midwife with a matronly bust because it made me feel somehow safe and as though everything was somehow homely and natural. I realise that might be a niche preference … 🤨.

GreyCarpet · 24/10/2024 21:45

endofthelinefinally · 24/10/2024 20:50

There used to be an option for male/ female on the BMI calculator. That has now gone. Does it not matter any more?

It became meaningless since people could self identify.

It used to explain why accurate sex was required, now they've just removed it altogether.

RealHedgehog · 24/10/2024 21:27

This has really made my blood boil.
It reeks of misogyny. Whoever suggested this said it purely because a large majority of nurses are women.I doubt they would dare suggest it if nurses were largely men.

Nurses are overworked and underpaid in our crumbling healthcare system. Why do men hate them so much that they want them to diet on top of doing such a gruelling job?

The cheek of then complaining that nurses should be easier on the eyes as well as hardworking-which is what is really what is meant here-is beyond belief.

I've met and had family members cared for by nurses of all shapes and sizes. The size of their scrubs never had ANYTHING to do with their competency.

And it shows that whoever suggested this has no idea of the strength it takes to be a nurse. Nurses spend so much of their day lifting, supporting and hoisting patients on and off beds, toilets and in and out of wheelchairs and baths. Which is not that easy if you are physically very tiny.

If nurses are expected to lose weight, then everyone should be asked to stay skinny so nurses don't injure themselves on the job.

DelicateSoundOfEchos · 24/10/2024 21:00

I think medical professionals who are giving out advice on weight, diet, nutrition etc should be healthy.

Aside from that I can't see how or why it would make any difference.

endofthelinefinally · 24/10/2024 20:50

Literallywingingit · 24/10/2024 18:55

What a load of shite! BMI is such an antiquated measurement system. A person and their size rarely, if ever, reflects on their ability to show kindness and compassion. It would be different if they were physically unable to do their job but I highly doubt this is the case. People trying to police other people and their bodies yet again!

There used to be an option for male/ female on the BMI calculator. That has now gone. Does it not matter any more?