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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 23/10/2024 16:24

I want to preface this with violence is never the first answer and there was better ways of dealing with it.

I got a call from ds (13) school to say that he had been in trouble because he punched a boy in the face and knocked him to the ground, ds is autistic and wears a hat as a comfort item, he’s worn a hat every day for three years and is extremely protective of his hats, no one touches them not even me and his dad. The last time he got into trouble for violence was nearly two years ago when a kid took his hat and wouldn’t give it back. My ds is also gender confused at the moment, and has been since he was 7! (Still Goes by he/him) most people see a quiet gentle effeminate boy and think he will be a pushover but he’s not.

basically the kid took his hat and denied it, ds got in his face and asked for it back and he threw it into the mud at which point ds pushed him towards it and said “pick it up” (all on cctv with audio) the kid said no and pushed back, there was a scuffle and next thing the kid is on his arse on the floor holding his face and ds just calmly picked up his hat and walked off.
school were surprisingly understanding and said he wouldn’t try it on with ds again! Ds is getting isolated at break times for a day but won’t be suspended.

obviously I’ve spoken to ds about how there’s better ways to deal with things than resorting to violence but part of me wants to give him a high five! He’s always been a target for bullies for obvious reasons but I’m quite old and from the generation that understood that if you didn’t knock a bully on their arse and humble them they’d never stop. Hopefully this kid was suitably humiliated by getting his arse handed to him by a boy in a pink hat in front of the whole school and will learn a lesson from it.

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Owly11 · 23/10/2024 17:51

The only thing that concerns me is that you say your DS punched the other child in the face - that is quite a violent and seemingly out of proportion response for the what the boy did and could have ended in a very serious outcome for the other child. Even a broken nose can result in life long disfigurement. I am all for people standing up for themselves but it needs to be proportional. Maybe it was more of a slap or a gentle punch, and maybe that will be the end of the matter, but I guess you will have to wait to see whether the other child was injured and whether his parents take further action eg notify the police of the assault. I would certainly tell your son that punching someone in the face can result in serious unintended harm, including death of the other person, and that it is not ok for him to do this again.

Sunnyplain · 23/10/2024 17:51

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thequeenoftarts · 23/10/2024 17:50

I always told my kids don't hit first, but if anyone touches you or any part of you without permission, you say stop once, after that you go sort it out yourself. Might be awful and not the correct way to deal with these precious little bullying snowflakes, but I bet he will leave your son alone in future. Sometimes a fast thump deals with a lot of issues like this, rightly or wrongly, some people don't learn until they are confronted with the consequences of their own actions.

Waitformetoarrive · 23/10/2024 17:47

My stance is you shouldn’t start something you can’t finish, and the other lad started something he could not finish. Lessons learnt for him!!

LEWWW · 23/10/2024 17:46

Good on him for dealing with a bully.

Im trying to teach my daughter not to react violently to situations like this even in retaliation to violence unless absolutely necessary and just go and find someone to help for a number of reasons:

  1. Where I’m from knife crime is high especially amongst stupid kids who go round carrying knives.
  2. One punch can end a life.

I hope your son is ok 😁

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 17:43

Hoardasurass · 23/10/2024 17:41

Me too only last time it was a much younger kid who was hurt by the hat child and the mum was outraged that there son was being punished

Yes. That sounds familiar.

Bananainpj · 23/10/2024 17:42

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Hoardasurass · 23/10/2024 17:41

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 16:48

I'm sure I've read this thread before.

Me too only last time it was a much younger kid who was hurt by the hat child and the mum was outraged that there son was being punished

CharlotteLucas3 · 23/10/2024 17:41

AnellaA · 23/10/2024 16:45

I’ve said Yabu only because my dd was given a detention for pushing a girl in a large group of girls who were being aggressive and blocking her path of escape.

I think the school should give your ds at minimum whatever is their usual punishment for violence, it shouldn’t be ignored.

However I do privately agree that your ds probably did the right thing!

Your reasoning is very bizarre. You agree that the ds did the right thing but you don't agree because your dd was punished for something similar?

No, my brain is not computing....

Wouldhavebeenproficient · 23/10/2024 17:38

The fact is, many secondary schools are unsafe environments now in terms of bullying and violence (including for teachers, but that's a whole other thread).

In an ideal world where schools have functional behaviour management, your kid shouldn't have had to retaliate like that. By retaliating, though, not only will that kid not try it on again but probably other bullies won't either because they know that he can stick up for himself.

PinkyAndTheBarnacle · 23/10/2024 17:38

Good on your DS. I was bullied relentlessly at school until one day I saw red and punched the ring leader in the face. They all left me alone after that.

I don’t condone violence but sometimes you need to treat bullies in the only way the understand.

Singleandproud · 23/10/2024 17:34

I agree BUT if your DS had pushed him and he'd hit his head it could be quite another matter it was lucky it was into a puddle and not a kerb.

betterangels · 23/10/2024 17:32

I wish I would have done that the first time I was bullied. Instead, it went on and has stayed with me.

Good on him.

YellowAsteroid · 23/10/2024 17:32

The problem is that if when your DS is full grown and behaves in this way, he could do harm, and get himself into trouble.

The boy he punched sounds like a right little nasty one, but I doubt that he now thinks "Oh, I will never again bully someone."

Mumpc12zxz · 23/10/2024 17:31

FrenchandSaunders · 23/10/2024 17:28

Good for him, will make the bully think twice.

My DD was in trouble at school for sticking up for her twin ..... some little scrote was sitting on her table at lunch and started taking the micky out of her acne, calling her horrible names, telling her she was putting him off her lunch etc.

DD heard all this from the next table and threw her full drink bottle at his head which cut it. Now I know that she shouldn't have done it and if everyone behaved like that at lunch there would be carnage .... but I was actually very proud that she stood up for her sister and there was certainly no punishment at home.

This is spot on well done to your Daughter for doing it! I expect the same from my girls!

Next time he may re think the shit that comes out of his mouth and either be nice or shut the hell up!
Xx

OhMyGollyGoshGosh · 23/10/2024 17:30

Mumpc12zxz · 23/10/2024 17:25

Oh it's called being human! Chill out Kazza

I have no idea who 'Kazza' is?

But I stand by what I said.

The school have no idea whether they boy will try it on again, or worse.

I'm not saying the OP's DS shouldn't have fought back, but the school were irresponsible in their wording.

Quitelikeit · 23/10/2024 17:30

This breaks my heart. Your poor son trying to navigate the world going about his day and minding his own business and an asshole kid does this

Yes to a big high five to your son and it does seem like your son gave him an opportunity to return the hat

I’m terrified for my own child. They are not as brave as yours and I’ve no doubt I’ve got a mountain of issues coming our way

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 23/10/2024 17:28

FergusSingsTheBIues · 23/10/2024 17:17

I’ve taught my gentle autistic son to lamp em back twice as hard the very first tine. It’s the only way, leaving him in defended would be completely brutalising for him.

I am pleased to say nobody picks on him twice. He can handle himself. So can your son, good for him.

we Expanded similar to ds when he was in reception because for two years through nursery he was bullied by another kid, he would hit him constantly, push him over, put sand in his pants all sorts and the school never managed to sort it and the kids mum always played the victim, ds was a shadow of himself and was depressed so we sat him down and told him that sometimes using your words isn’t enough sometimes you have to give them back what they’re asking for.
it backfired slightly, he went into school a week or so later and the kid was tormenting him when he was in the sandpit and hit him expecting ds to just take it but according to the teacher he never reacted, never said a word just stood up and took a full swing and lamped the kid in the side of the head with the metal shovel he’d been digging with, dropped the shovel didn’t say a word and just went to the time out corner and sat down! Teacher said it was like something from a film! Kid never went near him again! (Ds was suspended for the rest of the week, it was Friday afternoon)

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Moonflower6 · 23/10/2024 17:28

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 23/10/2024 16:24

I want to preface this with violence is never the first answer and there was better ways of dealing with it.

I got a call from ds (13) school to say that he had been in trouble because he punched a boy in the face and knocked him to the ground, ds is autistic and wears a hat as a comfort item, he’s worn a hat every day for three years and is extremely protective of his hats, no one touches them not even me and his dad. The last time he got into trouble for violence was nearly two years ago when a kid took his hat and wouldn’t give it back. My ds is also gender confused at the moment, and has been since he was 7! (Still Goes by he/him) most people see a quiet gentle effeminate boy and think he will be a pushover but he’s not.

basically the kid took his hat and denied it, ds got in his face and asked for it back and he threw it into the mud at which point ds pushed him towards it and said “pick it up” (all on cctv with audio) the kid said no and pushed back, there was a scuffle and next thing the kid is on his arse on the floor holding his face and ds just calmly picked up his hat and walked off.
school were surprisingly understanding and said he wouldn’t try it on with ds again! Ds is getting isolated at break times for a day but won’t be suspended.

obviously I’ve spoken to ds about how there’s better ways to deal with things than resorting to violence but part of me wants to give him a high five! He’s always been a target for bullies for obvious reasons but I’m quite old and from the generation that understood that if you didn’t knock a bully on their arse and humble them they’d never stop. Hopefully this kid was suitably humiliated by getting his arse handed to him by a boy in a pink hat in front of the whole school and will learn a lesson from it.

Amazing! Well done to your son x

FrenchandSaunders · 23/10/2024 17:28

Good for him, will make the bully think twice.

My DD was in trouble at school for sticking up for her twin ..... some little scrote was sitting on her table at lunch and started taking the micky out of her acne, calling her horrible names, telling her she was putting him off her lunch etc.

DD heard all this from the next table and threw her full drink bottle at his head which cut it. Now I know that she shouldn't have done it and if everyone behaved like that at lunch there would be carnage .... but I was actually very proud that she stood up for her sister and there was certainly no punishment at home.

DoubleRainbow3 · 23/10/2024 17:26

I can only hope my son would do the same. Just started secondary and has a stimming toy always.
Other children catch onto these things very quickly and know exactly what they are at.

Well done to him. I hope you don't punish him but reward him, and that other children know not to mess with him now.

Our autistic children need to have these things to help them cope.

Mumpc12zxz · 23/10/2024 17:25

OhMyGollyGoshGosh · 23/10/2024 17:24

school were surprisingly understanding and said he wouldn’t try it on with ds again!

This is a ridiculously irresponsible thing for the school to say, as they have no idea whether trouble will not escalate.

I hope they didn't say it in front of your DS, as it might give him a false sense of security.

Oh it's called being human! Chill out Kazza

OhMyGollyGoshGosh · 23/10/2024 17:24

school were surprisingly understanding and said he wouldn’t try it on with ds again!

This is a ridiculously irresponsible thing for the school to say, as they have no idea whether trouble will not escalate.

I hope they didn't say it in front of your DS, as it might give him a false sense of security.

Bikessmikes · 23/10/2024 17:19

You NEVER start it, but you're allowed to end it.

Do you all live in an Enid Blyton novel?!

ConiferBat · 23/10/2024 17:18

You NEVER start it, but you're allowed to end it.

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