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MrsBunTheBakersMum · 23/10/2024 16:24

I want to preface this with violence is never the first answer and there was better ways of dealing with it.

I got a call from ds (13) school to say that he had been in trouble because he punched a boy in the face and knocked him to the ground, ds is autistic and wears a hat as a comfort item, he’s worn a hat every day for three years and is extremely protective of his hats, no one touches them not even me and his dad. The last time he got into trouble for violence was nearly two years ago when a kid took his hat and wouldn’t give it back. My ds is also gender confused at the moment, and has been since he was 7! (Still Goes by he/him) most people see a quiet gentle effeminate boy and think he will be a pushover but he’s not.

basically the kid took his hat and denied it, ds got in his face and asked for it back and he threw it into the mud at which point ds pushed him towards it and said “pick it up” (all on cctv with audio) the kid said no and pushed back, there was a scuffle and next thing the kid is on his arse on the floor holding his face and ds just calmly picked up his hat and walked off.
school were surprisingly understanding and said he wouldn’t try it on with ds again! Ds is getting isolated at break times for a day but won’t be suspended.

obviously I’ve spoken to ds about how there’s better ways to deal with things than resorting to violence but part of me wants to give him a high five! He’s always been a target for bullies for obvious reasons but I’m quite old and from the generation that understood that if you didn’t knock a bully on their arse and humble them they’d never stop. Hopefully this kid was suitably humiliated by getting his arse handed to him by a boy in a pink hat in front of the whole school and will learn a lesson from it.

OP posts:
Over40Overdating · 23/10/2024 18:27

Well done to your kid!

I was bullied as a kid by a couple of sisters who got away with murder as they were from a ‘rough’ family everyone was scared of.
One day, having been chased and stung by nettles and hit with sticks, I absolutely pasted them.
One was missing a clump of hair where I swung her into a ditch by her ponytail and the other was split above her eye and still has a scar from where I walloped her.

Funnily enough despite the very visible damage I inflicted, I was not punished my anyone.
That was almost 40 years ago and I have never been in a fight since. They never bothered me again and when they moved into girl gang territory in secondary school they and their new mates gave me a wide berth and still do!

It’s all very well to say violence is not the answer but sometimes it’s the only thing that will be understood. Bullies are weak and avoid people who will show them up.

hookiewookie29 · 23/10/2024 18:23

betterangels · 23/10/2024 17:32

I wish I would have done that the first time I was bullied. Instead, it went on and has stayed with me.

Good on him.

Edited

I wish my daughter had done the same.....maybe she wouldn't be the fucked up mess she is now with scars on her body from self harming...
It's stayed with her too- and it changed her.

MrsBunTheBakersMum · 23/10/2024 18:22

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 18:12

Yes, it was quite the bunfight IIRC.

I don’t think that was me, I don’t believe I posted about it last time.

OP posts:
verycloakanddaggers · 23/10/2024 18:20

I would be worried about situations like this escalating and your DS getting injured or getting into trouble with the police. I don't think there is anything to celebrate, it sounds like a horrible incident all round.

The school sounds pretty poor if that really was their response. What are the school doing to prevent incidents in future?

Bigcat25 · 23/10/2024 18:18

Good for your son.

OhMyGollyGoshGosh · 23/10/2024 18:17

Hoardasurass · 23/10/2024 17:41

Me too only last time it was a much younger kid who was hurt by the hat child and the mum was outraged that there son was being punished

Yes! I remember now.

HelpMeGetThrough · 23/10/2024 18:14

obviously I’ve spoken to ds about how there’s better ways to deal with things than resorting to violence but part of me wants to give him a high five!

He deserves a high five, the little shit and other potential little shits will more than likely leave him alone now.

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 18:12

Jessie1259 · 23/10/2024 18:07

Yes i thought I'd read this before too. Then I realised the OP says in her first post that something similar happened 2 years ago, so I guess it might have been that.

Yes, it was quite the bunfight IIRC.

DoubleRainbow3 · 23/10/2024 18:12

JaneEyreLaughing · 23/10/2024 18:05

How will you feel if the other boy's mum tells him not to let anyone lay him out and he goes back and knocks your son on his arse,, so that he is "left holding his face"?

Also about that -you skip over what your son actually did. Why was the other boy "left holding his face"? Do you mean that your son punched him in the face as well as knocking him over?

If so, your son may have one coming back to him. If I was the other boy's mum and he gave it back to your lad, I'd be feeling just as proud of him as you are of your boy.

On a very serious note, that hat will be a magnet for others if he is still attached to it when he is older and not in a protected environment, so maybe you want to have a think about how he is going to deal with that.

Do you have an autistic child ??
Usually when you stand up to bullies they cower so it was necessary....
We have no way of knowing how anyone will react to our children standing up for themselves but what's the alternative ? lie down and take it

ToNiceWithSpice · 23/10/2024 18:09

JaneEyreLaughing · 23/10/2024 18:05

How will you feel if the other boy's mum tells him not to let anyone lay him out and he goes back and knocks your son on his arse,, so that he is "left holding his face"?

Also about that -you skip over what your son actually did. Why was the other boy "left holding his face"? Do you mean that your son punched him in the face as well as knocking him over?

If so, your son may have one coming back to him. If I was the other boy's mum and he gave it back to your lad, I'd be feeling just as proud of him as you are of your boy.

On a very serious note, that hat will be a magnet for others if he is still attached to it when he is older and not in a protected environment, so maybe you want to have a think about how he is going to deal with that.

Why would you feel proud of your son going back to school and hitting an autistic child who he has already been bullying ?

If my child had a smack for bullying an autistic child , taking his hat and throwing it into a puddle I'd be telling him it served him right

Jessie1259 · 23/10/2024 18:07

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 17:43

Yes. That sounds familiar.

Yes i thought I'd read this before too. Then I realised the OP says in her first post that something similar happened 2 years ago, so I guess it might have been that.

JaneEyreLaughing · 23/10/2024 18:05

How will you feel if the other boy's mum tells him not to let anyone lay him out and he goes back and knocks your son on his arse,, so that he is "left holding his face"?

Also about that -you skip over what your son actually did. Why was the other boy "left holding his face"? Do you mean that your son punched him in the face as well as knocking him over?

If so, your son may have one coming back to him. If I was the other boy's mum and he gave it back to your lad, I'd be feeling just as proud of him as you are of your boy.

On a very serious note, that hat will be a magnet for others if he is still attached to it when he is older and not in a protected environment, so maybe you want to have a think about how he is going to deal with that.

MissAnthr0pe · 23/10/2024 18:01

Hope the bully has learnt his lesson. Of course I don't condone violence, but in some situations it is justified (self-defence, provocation). In any case your son received a punishment for it; it wasn't waved away or ignored.

BreatheAndFocus · 23/10/2024 17:59

Oh, I’ve just realised this was another face punch. YABU, OP. You’re making your DC into a resentful person and eternal victim. It’s not right that her hat was taken but she/he shouldn’t have punched the child in the head. How’s she going to manage in the real world?

Mumpc12zxz · 23/10/2024 17:59

Owly11 · 23/10/2024 17:51

The only thing that concerns me is that you say your DS punched the other child in the face - that is quite a violent and seemingly out of proportion response for the what the boy did and could have ended in a very serious outcome for the other child. Even a broken nose can result in life long disfigurement. I am all for people standing up for themselves but it needs to be proportional. Maybe it was more of a slap or a gentle punch, and maybe that will be the end of the matter, but I guess you will have to wait to see whether the other child was injured and whether his parents take further action eg notify the police of the assault. I would certainly tell your son that punching someone in the face can result in serious unintended harm, including death of the other person, and that it is not ok for him to do this again.

If he didn't stick for himself today what was the lad going to do to him next time.

He got what he deserved

ginasevern · 23/10/2024 17:59

But did you ever become a satanist OP?

DoubleRainbow3 · 23/10/2024 17:57

Owly11 · 23/10/2024 17:51

The only thing that concerns me is that you say your DS punched the other child in the face - that is quite a violent and seemingly out of proportion response for the what the boy did and could have ended in a very serious outcome for the other child. Even a broken nose can result in life long disfigurement. I am all for people standing up for themselves but it needs to be proportional. Maybe it was more of a slap or a gentle punch, and maybe that will be the end of the matter, but I guess you will have to wait to see whether the other child was injured and whether his parents take further action eg notify the police of the assault. I would certainly tell your son that punching someone in the face can result in serious unintended harm, including death of the other person, and that it is not ok for him to do this again.

This child has wore these hats from the beginning of school and children pick up on these things. So it's bullying and he deserved every bit of it. From an Autism mum I get it.

BunnyLake · 23/10/2024 17:57

I was bullied at school and fifty years later I can still catch myself wishing I’d shoved her face in the dirt. I admire your son but it’s still important to stress that it’s not the default response. (🤫Well done him).

Mumpc12zxz · 23/10/2024 17:57

Owly11 · 23/10/2024 17:51

The only thing that concerns me is that you say your DS punched the other child in the face - that is quite a violent and seemingly out of proportion response for the what the boy did and could have ended in a very serious outcome for the other child. Even a broken nose can result in life long disfigurement. I am all for people standing up for themselves but it needs to be proportional. Maybe it was more of a slap or a gentle punch, and maybe that will be the end of the matter, but I guess you will have to wait to see whether the other child was injured and whether his parents take further action eg notify the police of the assault. I would certainly tell your son that punching someone in the face can result in serious unintended harm, including death of the other person, and that it is not ok for him to do this again.

Do you live under a rock?
Have you seen the videos of children getting battered left right and Center by loads of kids ? Is it ok for this boy to torment someone and not have any repercussions?

I'm glad the boy defended himself!
And majority of people on here agree.

I'm guessing you was home schooled ? And didn't have to defend yourself at all through your teenage years!?!?!?

BreatheAndFocus · 23/10/2024 17:56

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 16:48

I'm sure I've read this thread before.

So am I. I think the OP had a similar thread very recently where her DC filmed some younger children who took her hat (or was filmed by them, I don’t remember). The DC then punched one of them and got a detention and OP was asking if it was fair. The general consensus was it was because the children were younger and the punch had been to the face/head.

KendraTheVampyrSlayer · 23/10/2024 17:56

StarSlinger · 23/10/2024 16:48

I'm sure I've read this thread before.

Probably because this kind of shit happens all the time.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 23/10/2024 17:56

@MrsBunTheBakersMum well done to your son for standing up to that horrible bully! he wont touch him again! as I always said to my kids and grandkids, dont hit first, but always hit last!

Demonhunter · 23/10/2024 17:55

Bullies only understand one thing, and that's people standing upto them. They now know he's not a pushover so good for him.

Demonhunter · 23/10/2024 17:52

frecklejuice · 23/10/2024 16:43

Good for him, my Mum used to tell us a that we should never start a fight but if someone else does we make sure we end it!

My dad taught us the same. Don't start trouble, but if someone brings trouble to you, don't be afraid to finish it.

Diomi · 23/10/2024 17:52

I think the other boy has learnt a valuable lesson in life that he shouldn’t interfere with anyone else but punching someone in the face and knocking them to the ground is a massive over reaction.

I think it makes your son more vulnerable though. Some boys will see him as someone fun to wind up. The possibility of an unpredictable and potentially violent reaction will appeal to bored boys looking for some excitement on an otherwise dull school day.

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