Ex trying to reclaim money from child

This kind of thing makes my blood boil. My ex spent years on a nil award because he was setting up a new business and not earning any money on paper (certainly was earning just not showing it on the books)

So he may basically got to opt out of paying child maintenance and I had to fork out for everything I didn't have an option not to pay for everything our children needed.

Tell them that he transferred to you payments from the childs grandfather. He did not make any voluntary payments of his own. The money was from the grandfather not the father.

His bank account would also show him receiving money from his grandfather then paying it to you. I’m not usually on the side of grabby women but this guy is an asshole.

I'd call his dad and ask him what he wants you to do. I don't imagine his dad gave him the money for him to claim it back / pay less than he should now! His dad might have a word with him.

But then if the payments came from his account, he can prove it so not sure if he can take it further.

What an absolute twat though.

Who makes these rules? It makes me so angry. The other parent can’t say ‘I’ll not feed/clothe’ etc my child for a year and a half whilst I re-train for a new career so why can a non-resident parent?

He's stitched you up like a prize kipper, hasn't he?

Got his elderly dad to pay maintenance for his son when he couldn't be arsed was studying and then wants to use his father's generosity as an excuse to get out of paying anything for years.

What a cunt. There's an especially toasty spot in hell awaiting the likes of your ex.

Ok. Reading online I think this is possibly a misunderstanding.

So when the CMS ask about voluntary payments, this is so that any arrears can be worked out if the right payment hasn’t yet been calculated. He will have been asked if he made voluntary payments because if he didn’t then he could possibly have been in arrears. It appears he isn’t, but it would be possible.

So if you tell them that he has made voluntary payments, it only serves to show that he doesn’t owe you anything, it has nothing to do with having to pay him back.

So I would point this out to him. Tell him that declarations of voluntary payments are to prove any arrears, not to demand refunds.

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/early-child-maintenance-payments-and-payment-problems

I would explain that these payments were from your child's grandfather, using your ex as an intermediary, and there was never any agreement that the money would be paid back.

So yes, you disagree with what he is saying.

This.

you disagree! What a twat.

Apologies if this has already been said, tell them it was the grandfather and give the grandfather's contact details to CMS. They can then investigate it further and hopefully the grandfather will have the decency to tell the truth.

Go through Child Maintenance Group as they will only claim from date you apply. So it won’t take anything prior into consideration.

I would contact cos and state the money came from his grandfather through the NRP and you weren't told it was a loan

@Preeel I would have put the money from grandad down as a gift to help your son, not his git of a son!

CMS will ignore his nonsense, but I am sorry your ex is such a twat.

This.

@Preeel It seems bizarre that CMS even care about voluntary payments. They’re voluntary by definition, so how should they affect mandatory payments?

CMS are reknown for getting things wrong. I would ring them and ask to speak to a supervisor, you’ll likely get a different answer.

tell him to take it up with CMS... go through them and he will have to pay a surcharge

Surely he didn't make any payments his Dad ,did so thee money paid was never his , just an informal arrangement from your child's Grandfather?

What an absolute pig of a man!!! He should be on his knees thanking his dad for making those payments

Wow OP, your ex is a prince, isn't he?
Why do some absent parents see punishing their ex as more important than providing for the lives of the children they helped create? It just sickens me. I've met a number of absent fathers who've said something like "I'm not paying her (the ex) any money to spend on her hair and nails and going clubbing" putting me in the position of having to gently explain to them that they're actually paying for food and clothes for their children!
OP, I wonder if your former FIL had some agreement with your ex that he'd pay maintenance for your DC while your ex was studying, but as soon as ex gets a job he has to pay his father back? And your ex sees the easiest way to do this is to recover the money from you (and if this is what's happened then your ex is a total scumbag!)
Is the communication from CMS a simple Yes/No option, or are you able to explain exactly what happened? CMS should be able to see a regular payment coming into your ex's bank account from his father, which your ex then pays out to you, which would support your account.

I thought that CMS was ongoing and would date from when he starts earning and not be backdated so therefore he wouldn't owe anything for the period he was unemployed.

In that same way, whatever you received from his family member at that time, is irrelevant to whatever he can pay now surely? If he owes £100 a week now then that is what he should be paying now.

Is his dad aware? What a loser.

And this man is a teacher? He can't even put his own child first let alone other people's.
I'd suggest that CMS check his bank account and look at where these payments came from. What a pig

Hang on. Leaving aside the obvious response that the ex is a grade A twat and more, Are we saying here that if a person pays over the recommended amount of child maintenance when going through the CMS, they can have the CM amount adjusted to take that into account or even for money to be paid back?

Really?

I mean it’s bad enough that the CMS advise such paltry amounts as minimum, but to actually say that they can demand money be paid back on the basis that they had said nothing was due?

Fuck me.