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King charles Heckled in Australia

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Albaamy121 · 22/10/2024 23:16

Did anyone see that King Charles was heckled in Australia this week by an Australian senator, Lidia Thorpe.

She shouted at him "you are not my King, this is not your land, you have stolen our land".

Any thoughts?

I didn't see any thread on it, so I started this one.

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Westea · 24/10/2024 01:28

marmadukedoggo · 24/10/2024 01:07

And before anyone else comments on the recent "The Voice" referendum, please do a tiny bit of research.
It was a shitshow ( even Labor who were championing it couldn't explain it) To this day ( and I follow politics very closely ) I can not understand what it meant.
So please, stop referencing it .. A lot of indigenous people didn't vote for it. It was stupid and ill-thought out and needs to go in the bin. The millions it cost should have built houses and schools and facilities for Aboriginal communities.
Also, it is sadly true that all health outcomes are worse as a whole for Aboriginal people. That is hugely skewed by people living in areas that are so remote is you run out of petrol you are likely to die. Medics have to be flown in , it's not like the Scottish highlands it's more like the Arabian desert. I will try to find the article but indigenous people who live in cities/ suburban Australia have very similar health outcomes to non-indidgenous Australians. Billions have been spent but it's a fecking hard place and sooooooo far. A lot of people have been trying very hard for decades to improve the health of the remote indidgenous people. It's a very complex problem.
So please don't label my country racist on a few wiki searches. As I said before the most multiculturally diverse country in the world and almost always super peaceful.

The Voice referendum was a vote on inserting an instrument into the Constitution to create a permanent advisory body consisting of First Nations people.

That's it.

The problem was the messaging on both sides was so incredibly muddy, people became overwhelmed and divided. Few understood the purpose of the referendum, sadly, and at its core, it was quite simple.

marmadukedoggo · 24/10/2024 01:07

And before anyone else comments on the recent "The Voice" referendum, please do a tiny bit of research.
It was a shitshow ( even Labor who were championing it couldn't explain it) To this day ( and I follow politics very closely ) I can not understand what it meant.
So please, stop referencing it .. A lot of indigenous people didn't vote for it. It was stupid and ill-thought out and needs to go in the bin. The millions it cost should have built houses and schools and facilities for Aboriginal communities.
Also, it is sadly true that all health outcomes are worse as a whole for Aboriginal people. That is hugely skewed by people living in areas that are so remote is you run out of petrol you are likely to die. Medics have to be flown in , it's not like the Scottish highlands it's more like the Arabian desert. I will try to find the article but indigenous people who live in cities/ suburban Australia have very similar health outcomes to non-indidgenous Australians. Billions have been spent but it's a fecking hard place and sooooooo far. A lot of people have been trying very hard for decades to improve the health of the remote indidgenous people. It's a very complex problem.
So please don't label my country racist on a few wiki searches. As I said before the most multiculturally diverse country in the world and almost always super peaceful.

marmadukedoggo · 24/10/2024 00:50

CurlewKate · 23/10/2024 07:31

I am old, and my family has long generations. But I have actually spoken to an elderly family member who, when young, was aware of native Australians being hunted for sport.

The population of native Australians has declined by 84% since colonisation.

To be honest, I think white people should shut the fuck up. We destroyed possibly the oldest human culture in the world. If those who remain want to shout at the King then they should get on with it.

He would have been from the UK then?

TempestTost · 24/10/2024 00:47

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Slavery had not been allowed within the UK for many centuries, but they were the first to ban it in all the colonies they had (which largely ran their own economies) and they also tried to force other nations, like France for example, to follow suit, both through diplomacy and military action. They blockaded the Atlantic slave trade and were trying to finally eradicate slavery in Africa well into the 20th century.

It's all well and good to say they never should have been involved at all, but maybe worth remembering that slavery has been almost completely ubiquitous and accepted throughout human history, and this is the first real instance of it being banned by law on principle and of any nation trying to enforce that on others on moral grounds. And that's not just within Europe, you don't find it on any other continent either.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 23/10/2024 23:46

It is more accurate to say that Britain ended the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the buying and selling of humans on one continent for another continent.

There are some truly horrific stories of slavery. Given how race is a big part of this thread, I should point out that the actual enslavement almost always started with Africans kidnapping or conquering other Africans who then became their property, their slaves. Then the African slave owners would sell them to the Europeans who would ship them across the Atlantic and sell them again.

While the victims - the slaves - were almost exclusively black Africans, the perpetrators - the slavers - were both Black Africans and Europeans.

TrishM80 · 23/10/2024 23:28

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Yeah good point. How did Britain "end slavery" when it was still going on in other countries?! 😂

Britain stopped engaging in slavery, and want a round of applause for it!!

rosestone19 · 23/10/2024 23:20

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NoisyDenimShaker · 23/10/2024 23:06

TrishM80 · 23/10/2024 20:19

To be fair, Britain was balls deep in the slave trade for centuries, so it's a bit brass neck to try and claim credit for "ending slavery"!

What next, Afrikaaners claiming credit for ending Apartheid?! 😂

It could have gone on a lot longer than it did if Britain hadn't ended it when it did, and MANY other countries were also involved in the slave trade, yet none of them tried to end it.

And Britain didn't start it, Portugal did.

HoppingPavlova · 23/10/2024 22:46

@NoisyDenimShaker What does this message mean?

It means a deranged person no one will ever be able to talk sense into as they have their own set of rules no one else aligns or agrees with. I presume you are from the UK? If so, how do not know about ‘your’ Clive? He’s the guy that took his young Ukrainian wife to the Caribbean to give birth, while abandoning their other daughter in the UK. Then refused to register the babies birth or do a DNA test to allow them back to UK with baby, and can’t understand why any rules would apply to him as he never signed up for those rules. Oh, and recently arrested for people smuggling in Caribbean to top it off, but again is outraged and refuses to accept it as rules don’t apply to him. Was the finale in a long line of nonsense he carried on with. Every country has an embarrassing Clive. She is ours. Nothing to do with indigenous, non indigenous, whether you are purple, green or blue, she’s just a nutter.

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 23/10/2024 22:16

TrishM80 · 23/10/2024 20:15

No, the OP surmised my position well. I agree with the person's right to protest but at the same time I have misgivings about this particular method as Charles is an elderly man with cancer.

To be honest, I'm not overly worked up about it one way or another so I'm not gonna get into a back and forth on it, so take it whatever way you want! 😄

So if he didn’t have cancer, there’d be no problem with the way she delivered her message? Bringing him his cancer made absolutely zero sense

Bubblesoffun · 23/10/2024 21:53

LateAF · 23/10/2024 08:09

Cool story. You may have experienced xenophobia - doesn’t mean you’re not white. But perhaps you should try have some empathy for and understanding of the experiences of ethnic minorities and natives in Australia.

“Natives” is an offensive way of describing Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. In fact it smacks of colonialism. Maybe check yourself before commenting on other people.

TrishM80 · 23/10/2024 20:19

NoisyDenimShaker · 23/10/2024 12:07

The things that happened in the past were dreadful, I completely agree. There were people alive during our lifetimes who were responsible for war crimes by the Nazis. WWII is very recent history. But upthread, you mentioned things like the Irish Potato Famine, which happed in the 1850s!

I don't really understand how people today can be fixated on things that happened in the distant past. I think that the agenda of people who focus so much on apologies is to humiliate today's Britain for the past. As a British person, I'm not keen on my country being humiliated for things no one alive today did. Apologies are a political issue, whereas you talk as if it's two people fixing a private relationship.

Once Britain makes one apology, the whole world will pile on, and people who hate my country for the past would just love that. Apologies would result in a worldwide laser-focus on the bad parts of British history, instead of its achievements like ending slavery, the amazing feats of the Victorian engineers, discoveries by James Watt and Isaac Newton, its development of modern sewer systems that helped eradicate disease, the invention of vaccines by Edward Jenner that did the same, the fact that Britain offers free healthcare to all, and many other positive contributions that Britain has made to the world.

If the wrongs of the past are focused on by people today, then we should also focus on the good things from the past. Britain did terrible things, and I am sorry. Can you now thank me for jet engines, penicillin, and antibiotics? They are all British inventions. If today's people are going to apologise for the wrongs of the past, then they should also be thanked for the good of the past. Today, we can read our DNA thanks to a Brit, Francis Crick. You're welcome.

To be fair, Britain was balls deep in the slave trade for centuries, so it's a bit brass neck to try and claim credit for "ending slavery"!

What next, Afrikaaners claiming credit for ending Apartheid?! 😂

TrishM80 · 23/10/2024 20:15

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGGG · 23/10/2024 13:01

Seeing as I quoted @TrishM80 who said it was tasteless, I’d prefer to have a discussion with them to see why they said that. No need for me to go back and forth with you OP

No, the OP surmised my position well. I agree with the person's right to protest but at the same time I have misgivings about this particular method as Charles is an elderly man with cancer.

To be honest, I'm not overly worked up about it one way or another so I'm not gonna get into a back and forth on it, so take it whatever way you want! 😄

rosestone19 · 23/10/2024 19:46

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IcedPurple · 23/10/2024 19:39

Albaamy121 · 23/10/2024 11:33

A recent German prime minister apologised for Nazi atrocities. It hasn't made Germany look weak.
Germany economy is very strong.

The German economy is not strong. It is in crisis. And there is no such person as the 'German prime minister'.

But that's beside the point. The monarch does not have the authority to make a formal apology to other nations. He/she can only act on the government's instructions.

NoisyDenimShaker · 23/10/2024 18:47

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Apologies might lessen anger, for reasonable people. Or they might result in more anti-British violence, like when Asian people in the US experienced attacks because the coronavirus was known to originate in China. Apologies might give the crazies permission to attack British people, in the minds of people who are prone to that sort of thing.

I don't actually know why the British government has held out on apologies, but I do wonder if it's because of the reparations issue.

NoisyDenimShaker · 23/10/2024 18:41

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But I said the things that happened in history are terrible. I've said that a few times on this thread. I'm not saying "Who cares?", I'm saying that people alive today have nothing to do with the people who did those things.

As for Britain acknowledging what they did...I mean, they're not denying it, are they? Everyone knows what happened. It's in all the history books. What is there to acknowledge? It's not like there's a big cover-up.

rosestone19 · 23/10/2024 18:37

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EasternStandard · 23/10/2024 18:35

Notmoog · 23/10/2024 18:22

"It's not like he can quit"
Well he can, as can they all and live very well off the couple of billion that we have given them.
No country needs a royal family.

That's down to the voting public, in Aus anyway

It they want to be a republic and mend relationships there they can.

NoisyDenimShaker · 23/10/2024 18:33

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I'm not cold; I've acknowledged how terrible all these wrongs were. I'm saying that I don't think Britain should apologise, because no one alive today is responsible, and it opens the door to reparations, which Britain can't afford. In an article linked by another poster, the campaign group for reparations wants Britain to fund education and healthcare in the former colonies. We don't even have enough money for the NHS.

Many people are laying the wrongs of the past at the feet of the British today, and I think that's wrong. And these attitudes do affect blameless British people of today. I travel a lot, and anti-British sentiment is alive and well and a threat to my safety in certain places. Someone I know was attacked in Glasgow for being English. Last week the English were remembering the violence done by the IRA in 1984. And these attitudes don't make me want to holiday somewhere like Ireland in case I bump into rabidly anti-British people.

In short, holding on to the past and blaming the Britain of today results in negative outcomes, including violence.

Notmoog · 23/10/2024 18:22

"It's not like he can quit"
Well he can, as can they all and live very well off the couple of billion that we have given them.
No country needs a royal family.

rosestone19 · 23/10/2024 18:17

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TempestTost · 23/10/2024 18:14

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My thoughts are that it's political posturing and in no way an actual apology.

rosestone19 · 23/10/2024 18:09

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