The Yorkshire Ripper question?

One of my teachers at secondary school taught him. Not in my school , somewhere else. He was very quiet apparently. Op I’d take on board what she used to say. Pictures are hung, people are hanged.

I think it is much better for them to spend the rest of their lives thinking about their crimes and how they have no-one but themselves to blame for the fact that they have totally ruined their lives. If that actually leads them to feeling sorry for what they did, so much the better.

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I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been raised but we shouldn't assume that the death penalty saves money.

Here's a link to an Amnesty International report from last year:

Death Penalty Costs

Quicky summary. All in all, including trials, legal costs, keeping a prisoner on death row, more legal costs as there are repeals, death row costs more per year than a trial where life imprisonment is on the cards and subsequent imprisonment. Further to that it also diverts money from the whole of the criminal justice system including crime prevention, education and rehabilitation.

The cost differences aren't small. Death row system, and this is from a Californian report so I would assume these costs are just for that state, currently $137 million per year, with reforms that are being called for, $232.7 million. Life imprisonment system - so a system where there is no death penalty - $11.5 million per year. I'm sure that the amounts could be argued with. Maybe the death row system is a little less (or more) and the same with the life imprisonment system, but whichever way you look at it the cost differences between both systems are huge and all moral questions aside - and I'm against the death row system on moral grounds - the death row/death sentence system costs a lot more than life imprisonment.

N.b. the amounts are not per person per year but for they systems as a whole.

You seriously want different sentencing for men convicted of murder? That would be a very slippery slope indeed. After all, if you can impose harsher sentences on men convicted of killing women, why should you not impose harsher sentences on women for other offences?

Why does it matter less if a wrongly convicted man is killed than a wrongly convicted woman?

It was estimated to be £10m, not £11bn. Even the whole of Broadmoor didn't cost £11bn to run whilst he was there. £10m could easily have been spent (and more) on a death penalty case if it was conducted in the same way as the USA with all the stages of appeal.

Had he not been judged to be insane, his incarceration would have been cheaper too.

@PassingStranger OP, please can you request a change to your thread title. Peter Sutcliffe was a weak and pathetic man. He only 'got away with it' due to the imbecility and misogyny of the police.
The murdered women's family's have repeatedly asked for him not to be called YR. Richard McCann is a hero, please respect his wishes and change the title. Thank you
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2020/11/16/stop-calling-sutcliffe-by-his-pseudonym-pleads-son-of-his-first-murder-victim/

this is interesting, Ian Hislop points out the problematic nature of the death penalty to Pritti Patel

The whole premise is just dripping with colonialist arrogance, isn't it? You'd hope that society had moved on from seeing other countries as our dumping grounds, but clearly not.

Why the fuck should the good people of Rwanda have to put up with the scum of the UK?

This whole post is beyond disgusting. I wish such obviously racist people could all be deported. Maybe Antarctica so no other human has to deal with them.

Worth it so that we don't have the death penalty, in my opinion.

I agree that prisoners should be put to work to earn their keep while staying at His Majesty's pleasure, but I don't think cost savings can be used to justify state sanctioned murder.

You only have to look at the horrific homicide rates in the US to work out that the death penalty is no deterrent. Murderers either think they will never get caught or don't care.

Remember the Moors Murders? We had the death penalty while they were happening,

This. I remember reading about how Ian Brady wanted to die and being glad he was being made to suffer by being kept alive against his will.

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So amazing that it's untrue.

Do you know that a billion is a thousand millions. A million is a huge number. 11 of them is 11 times as huge. Multiply THAT number by ONE THOUSAND and it'll be unfathomable to most humans.

And yet, so casual, "yes. Amazing isn't it!" when questioned. As casual as sanctioning state-sanctioned murder. It's not about the Yorkshire Ripper getting a punishment worthy of his crimes (11 billion of them, perhaps?). It's about living under laws where you can be killed, legally, by an administrative process. NOBODY has the right to take another person's life. Not the Ripper, and certainly not a temporarily elected government and its executives.

Definitely not anyone who doesn't know the difference between a million and a billion and casually doesn't even care.

Well, that's the main problem with the death penalty. It can't be corrected.

Doesn't require the death penalty, but with assisted suicide soon to be debated we should consider offering this to lifers in prison.

You really think we should deliberately put the women of Rwanda at risk?

Daily Express there, lying again saying his victims' families didn't get a penny. It admits itself that some did, and the fact that others didn't was down to failures in the compensation system which wouldn't pay out to people believed to be prostitutes, even when they definitely weren't. I don't recall the Express complaining about that at the time, they almost certainly completely agreed with the refusal to pay.

Goady OP can't even get the 'facts' right

Yeah, the "£11 million" figure looks suspiciously like someone has just taken the most recent estimate for the annual cost of a single place at Broadmoor and multiplied it up by 32 years.

A while back, the police brought him to Arnside to scatter his uncle's (I think) ashes as he had had a caravan there and Sutcliffe visited as a kid.

I know some people who live there. They went into the village one day and there was big police presence - roads closed etc. This is a sleepy village. Only found out later what it was about. He'd been brought all the way from Broadmoor to scatter his uncle's ashes in this specific place.

I wonder how much all that cost.

Very kind of us wasn't it?

I don't think people should be so quick to accept 'shock' news paper articles as utter fact.

100% agree