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The Yorkshire Ripper question?

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:42

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

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EgyptionJackal · 22/10/2024 23:00

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JudgeJ · 22/10/2024 20:43

GoldenPheasant · 22/10/2024 16:36

You only have to look at the horrific homicide rates in the US to work out that the death penalty is no deterrent. Murderers either think they will never get caught or don't care.

Remember the Moors Murders? We had the death penalty while they were happening,

Capital punishment had all but finished by then, it was suspended in 1965 then abolished in 1969, the last hanging was in 1964.

thepariscrimefiles · 22/10/2024 20:42

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:08

Don't keep on them death row for years. Find them guilty, they get walked out back directly to a guillotine and it's over and done with. No messing about and no endless "appeals".

Who would volunteer for the job as hangman or to chop heads off using the guillotine? Basically the sort of sick people you wouldn't want anywhere near the job.

The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in a civilised society.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 22/10/2024 20:12

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:10

£1000 a month on luxuries is ridiculous. Most law-abiding, working people don't have anything near that amount to spend on luxuries.

You do realise they aren't just given that amount to spend, right? It's transferred to them by family/friends on the outside, or earned through working.

WhatsInTheRug · 22/10/2024 19:28

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:08

Don't keep on them death row for years. Find them guilty, they get walked out back directly to a guillotine and it's over and done with. No messing about and no endless "appeals".

I think you are being deliberately goady

I work in a prison and would not be part of this, neither would any officer I work with

SpottySpotSpots · 22/10/2024 19:27

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OK, so who defines "evil people" and how do we make sure we're correct that someone is evil and not innocent? And what makes it evil for someone to kill people, but not evil for others to kill them? Seems a slippery slope to me to have people in charge determining who gets to live and who gets to die..

healthybychristmas · 22/10/2024 19:22

GalacticTowelMaster · 22/10/2024 13:50

I heard it was eleventy billion

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Howmanycatsistoomany · 22/10/2024 19:21

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:08

Don't keep on them death row for years. Find them guilty, they get walked out back directly to a guillotine and it's over and done with. No messing about and no endless "appeals".

Since 1992, the Innocence Project have secured the freedom of over 200 wrongfully convicted people in the US, many of whom were on Death Row.

One study has suggested that at least 4% of those sentenced to death in the US are innocent.

OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:10

£1000 a month on luxuries is ridiculous. Most law-abiding, working people don't have anything near that amount to spend on luxuries.

EgyptionJackal · 22/10/2024 19:08

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OonaStubbs · 22/10/2024 19:08

Don't keep on them death row for years. Find them guilty, they get walked out back directly to a guillotine and it's over and done with. No messing about and no endless "appeals".

migmogmash · 22/10/2024 18:57

BIWI · 22/10/2024 18:23

housed in luxury

I assume @Getonwitit that you are posting a satirical response?!

I've never been inside a prison, thankfully, but I really doubt that anyone could describe incarceration in prison as 'luxury'!

As someone who has worked in a prison, they're definitely not luxury! 😆

People are sent to prison AS punishment, not FOR punishment. The lock them up and throw away the key brigade tend to forget that if you treat people badly, it's even less likely to change someone's offending behaviour, which is already incredibly difficult for a multitude of reasons. I often wonder if they'd feel a little differently if they or one of their relatives ended up in prison...

Of course the above is general, not about Sutcliffe specifically. I don't think he could ever have been rehabilitated. He was sentenced to life for his crimes and that was what he served. Would I like to have been the one locking him up? No. But it's one of those jobs where you have to be able to put personal feelings aside and be professional.

WhatsInTheRug · 22/10/2024 18:56

Nobody is in luxury in a U.K. prison

BIWI · 22/10/2024 18:51

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Go on then. Define 'luxury'

Ponoka7 · 22/10/2024 18:48

Dramatic · 22/10/2024 14:16

Can I ask how it was misogynistic?

Watch The long Shadow, one black woman was assumed to be a prostitute and her account ignored because she was black and she, like others, said it was a white man. The ending would be brilliant, if there wasn't thirteen victims, that could have been avoided.

BIossomtoes · 22/10/2024 18:44

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I’d love to see where they go for their “luxury” holidays.

WhatsInTheRug · 22/10/2024 18:42

No prison isn't 'luxury' but it should be clean, basic needs met with support in place for those who need it

Fit for humans in other words

JudgeJ · 22/10/2024 18:41

MadinMarch · 22/10/2024 17:40

If The Daily Mail state it, then it must be true....

A lot of those costs would exist anyway, it wasn't 11m wasted on him personally.

JudgeJ · 22/10/2024 18:38

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 22/10/2024 14:43

There was absolutely no doubt of his crimes.

The same was thought about the Birmingham Six, Guildford Four etc.

Sutcliffe is obviously guilty, but the death penalty wouldn't just be applied to selected cases where we're sure - it would apply to anyone convicted of a suitably serious crime by a jury. But we all know that juries can, and do, get it wrong.

Should they be given the option of death rather than spend the rest of their days in prison?

JudgeJ · 22/10/2024 18:36

Must be 'brilliant' if it's in the Grauniad! If we have to keep there murderers in prison for the rest of their lives they should not have endless free access to Legal Aid once convicted.

EgyptionJackal · 22/10/2024 18:36

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BIWI · 22/10/2024 18:23

housed in luxury

I assume @Getonwitit that you are posting a satirical response?!

I've never been inside a prison, thankfully, but I really doubt that anyone could describe incarceration in prison as 'luxury'!

WhatsInTheRug · 22/10/2024 18:22

I was a child but I remember my dad being late home one night due to all the lorry drivers at his depot being questioned

The police were all over it and visible on the streets. Foot patrols s asks a van/car on the ends of local streets. It dominated the news for days too. All Unlike nowadays

thepariscrimefiles · 22/10/2024 18:17

CaveMum · 22/10/2024 14:32

Don’t call him “The Yorkshire Ripper”, that’s a press given nickname that affords him the notoriety his kind crave. Refer to him as PS if you have to, but he deserves no such recognition of a “celebrity” name.

I highly recommend listening to the Crime Analyst podcast which did an excellent deep dive into the case and the misogyny and incompetence shown by the police, whilst also being sympathetic and respectful to the victims.

I'd also recommend the BBC's The Yorkshire Ripper Files by film-maker Liza Williams which explores how misogyny and attitudes to women in the 1970s derailed the investigation. It includes interviews with the adult children of some of the victims, the ones who were described as prostitutes as opposed to the other victims who were described as 'totally respectable women'. Their testimony is heartbreaking.

WhatsInTheRug · 22/10/2024 18:13

Getonwitit · 22/10/2024 18:02

Well it would cost a hell of a lot less if they weren't housed in luxury. A concrete cell with no tv, no games consoles or a comfortable mattress, One hour of exercise and 2 library books a week would cost much less.

That wouldn't be allowed....no matter how much you think you want it

If the IMB saw it....