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The Yorkshire Ripper question?

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:42

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

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Waterboatlass · 23/10/2024 22:03

FarmGirl78 · 23/10/2024 20:19

It wouldn't cost £11mill to keep them alive?

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It isn't simply an economic question

It wouldn't or shouldn't be quick or cheap, with the more robust appeal procedures that would be needed

I think you see this point as a mic drop but it really isn't.

Miscarriages of justice aren't a fair sacrifice on balance. Seeing the appeals through is valuable not only for fairness but it helps point out important areas where the judicial system, society, medicine and forensics need to improve.

Also death sentences aren't the only solution to preventing reoffending

eastegg · 23/10/2024 21:50

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 23/10/2024 21:42

She wasn't, tbf. But it wasn't totally clear from that post.

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Yes I’ve seen the further posts now, but I still think the meaning came across exactly as I, and you, took it. People against the DP pointed out the expense and she said ‘but look how it could be cheaper’.

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 23/10/2024 21:42

eastegg · 23/10/2024 21:25

That seems to be exactly what Brefugee is suggesting. Incredible isn’t it?

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She wasn't, tbf. But it wasn't totally clear from that post.

VickyPollard25 · 23/10/2024 21:32

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:59

yes i couldnt have given a shit if hed been hung.

I’m with you!

eastegg · 23/10/2024 21:25

TarantinoIsAMisogynist · 22/10/2024 14:50

Are those countries that the UK should be aspiring to emulate?

You're surely not suggesting that the death penalty might be okay because it can be delivered cheaply with minimal admin and faff if we deny the convicted any right of appeal?

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That seems to be exactly what Brefugee is suggesting. Incredible isn’t it?

ThistleTits · 23/10/2024 21:12

GalacticTowelMaster · 22/10/2024 13:50

I heard it was eleventy billion

😂😂😂

RelationshipOrNot · 23/10/2024 21:01

Cityandmakeup · 23/10/2024 20:05

Why does he deserve humane?

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Everyone deserves humane. If we start chipping away at that, it doesn't lead anywhere good.

GMV42 · 23/10/2024 20:48

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 14:16

We dont even have whole life terms for murder anymore. Its gone too far the other way and we seem to hear of murders every week now.

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Where do you get your information from? Of course people serve life in prison!!

Radiolala · 23/10/2024 20:23

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 14:36

Did you know his name was actually Peter Coonan in the end. He changed it. No doubt to distance himself from his crimes.

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Lots of prisoners do. It’s very common.

FarmGirl78 · 23/10/2024 20:19

Waterboatlass · 23/10/2024 20:00

OI'm not sure how that's an argument for the death penalty rather than whole life tariffs?

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It wouldn't cost £11mill to keep them alive?

Vynalbob · 23/10/2024 20:15

WhatsInTheRug · 23/10/2024 19:06

Ok

And how will you staff this place? Would you also want to work in those conditions with those prisoners?

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Probably a similar way to oil rigs. Also staff don't actually stay in the cells now as far as I know so I wouldn't have the same restrictions on their accommodation 👀😳.

theemptinessmachine · 23/10/2024 20:06

I do find this case a troubling one. If we are going to keep people locked up forever should it be like this?

www.infobae.com/en/2022/03/28/the-uks-most-dangerous-prisoner-locked-up-47-years-ago-promised-to-kill-again-if-he-gets-the-chance/?outputType=amp-type

Cityandmakeup · 23/10/2024 20:05

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:44

And no, the money doesn't matter, if the alternative is an inhumane, medieval justice system.

Why does he deserve humane?

Lookslikemeemaw · 23/10/2024 20:05

Thing is, it’s a hospital. And unpalatable as it may be, generations do doctors, psychiatrists,
psychologists etc have studied the patients
/inmates and worked there, and all of that experience and learning hopefully has been used for the benefit of humanity too.

I know several people who have worked at Broadmoor and have gained from it in a professional level.

Yourcatisnotsorry · 23/10/2024 20:03

I don’t object to the death penalty in such cases but cost wise with the amount of appeals etc. I suspect it wouldn’t actually be cheaper. Prisoners are treated too well though in my opinion, their food and medical care is better than children etc.

Waterboatlass · 23/10/2024 20:00

FarmGirl78 · 23/10/2024 18:41

Not quite. The number of people killed due to a wrong conviction is lower than the number of people subsequently murdered by released murderers. Some don't just go on to kill again, but go on to kill more than one. There's more innocent people killed as a result of NOT having the death penalty. Its a very simple way of looking at it, but the numbers of families hurting and heartbroken, the level of hurt and unjustness in society is higher WITHOUT the death penalty.

I don't know what the answer is, it's a very difficult subject.

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OI'm not sure how that's an argument for the death penalty rather than whole life tariffs?

JustMeAndTheFish · 23/10/2024 19:37

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 14:02

Of course they are, how patronising. Still wouldnt care if he had been hung. I wont be the only one to think that either. There was absolutely no doubt of his crimes.

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But OP that isn’t the point.

JustMeAndTheFish · 23/10/2024 19:32

I could never agree to or condone legalised murder in my name by the state. I have seen too many miscarriages of justice.

venus7 · 23/10/2024 19:31

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:55

The utterly botched, viciously misogynist investigation which led to him being free to murder more victims is the real public scandal, and that's the cause we need to keep attention on.

Exactly; this is where the outraged (& accurate) focus should be.

WhatsInTheRug · 23/10/2024 19:06

Vynalbob · 23/10/2024 19:00

No but perpetrators of grossly violent attacks should serve their sentences in harsher settings (thinking Victorian cells on an remote unpopulated island off the outer Heberdees kind of thing).
Occasional Zoom visits only.

Ok

And how will you staff this place? Would you also want to work in those conditions with those prisoners?

Vynalbob · 23/10/2024 19:00

No but perpetrators of grossly violent attacks should serve their sentences in harsher settings (thinking Victorian cells on an remote unpopulated island off the outer Heberdees kind of thing).
Occasional Zoom visits only.

WhatsInTheRug · 23/10/2024 18:55

Also....a very high percentage of prisoners have adhd/sen/additional needs/autism.....

Still going ahead with executions?

SallyForf · 23/10/2024 18:54

OP was outraged about something that we all know was unsuccessful, a moot point.

WhatsInTheRug · 23/10/2024 18:53

BlusteryLake · 23/10/2024 18:42

The death penalty is not without cost though. The cost doesn't end the moment they receive the sentence.

I would leave the service.....many would

AlwaysGinPlease · 23/10/2024 18:50

@SallyForf what do you mean
by " and" ?

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