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The Yorkshire Ripper question?

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:42

Just read that it cost the taxpayer 11 billion to keep him alive including his funeral?
Do you still feel the same way about him being hung for his murders?

is it acceptable to the taxpayer to pay that much, when there are so many other things that the money could have been spent on, or dosent the money matter?

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SallyForf · 22/10/2024 14:03

We don't have state execution in this country. End of.

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 14:02

Hobnobswantshernameback · 22/10/2024 14:00

Do you have any idea how much it costs to execute someone?
It can take years and the legal process has to be exhaustive so I'm not sure it's the economy drive you're hoping for.
It's not a case of verdict on Thursday executed on Friday.
But I'm not sure critical thinking or analysis of all the implications (and that's before you get onto the possibility of miscarriages of justice) are quite within the OPs skill set

Of course they are, how patronising. Still wouldnt care if he had been hung. I wont be the only one to think that either. There was absolutely no doubt of his crimes.

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BitOutOfPractice · 22/10/2024 14:01

First of all I hate this kind of thread where the op asks a question but doesn’t answer it themselves (though I suspect from the subsequent posts that this poster is more on the hang ‘em and flog ‘em side of the penal reform debate).

secondly, get your bloody facts even vaguely right op.

thirdly, do you think the death penalty would have stopped him, or deterred him?

finally I am vehemently opposed to capital punishment in any circumstance.

taxguru · 22/10/2024 14:01

I can't quite believe how much it costs. Even 11 million is a huge amount. Just where does the money go?

Hobnobswantshernameback · 22/10/2024 14:01

The legal system should be about justice not vengeance.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 22/10/2024 14:00

Do you have any idea how much it costs to execute someone?
It can take years and the legal process has to be exhaustive so I'm not sure it's the economy drive you're hoping for.
It's not a case of verdict on Thursday executed on Friday.
But I'm not sure critical thinking or analysis of all the implications (and that's before you get onto the possibility of miscarriages of justice) are quite within the OPs skill set

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:59

DuckBushCityLimit · 22/10/2024 13:57

The death penalty probably wouldn't actually be cheaper than life imprisonment anyway. Figures show that US states that still have the death penalty spend about twice as much on Death Row inmates as standard inmates.

Indeed, many death row inmates prefer not to get downgraded to life without parole because it shuts down their routes to legal representation.

x2boys · 22/10/2024 13:59

TickingAlongNicely · 22/10/2024 13:57

Andrew Malkinson. 17years to prove his innocence.

Miscarriages do happen. Death penalty can't be put right.

Yep Stefan Kiszko.

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:59

yes i couldnt have given a shit if hed been hung.

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MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:57

Is this something you have an opinion on at all, OP?

DuckBushCityLimit · 22/10/2024 13:57

The death penalty probably wouldn't actually be cheaper than life imprisonment anyway. Figures show that US states that still have the death penalty spend about twice as much on Death Row inmates as standard inmates.

TickingAlongNicely · 22/10/2024 13:57

Andrew Malkinson. 17years to prove his innocence.

Miscarriages do happen. Death penalty can't be put right.

BunfightBetty · 22/10/2024 13:56

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:55

The utterly botched, viciously misogynist investigation which led to him being free to murder more victims is the real public scandal, and that's the cause we need to keep attention on.

Absolutely. It was disgraceful.

BunfightBetty · 22/10/2024 13:55

It's the price we pay for not having the death penalty, so well worth it, IMO.

Per year he was kept under lock and key it's actually not that much given the level of security required.

The question is not why have we spent this money on incarcerating Sutcliffe, the question is why we don't spend adequate funds in other worthwhile areas, such as health and education. They're not linked, though, it's not as if it would have been spent on education, for example, if he'd been executed. As a proportion of the government budget it's a drop in the ocean.

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:55

The utterly botched, viciously misogynist investigation which led to him being free to murder more victims is the real public scandal, and that's the cause we need to keep attention on.

ReadWithScepticism · 22/10/2024 13:55

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:52

He tried to get his pension!

If I was bored as fuck in prison I would find some paperwork to get my teeth into too.

x2boys · 22/10/2024 13:55

Objectivley I dont agree with the death penalty so it costs what it costs
Of course i might feel differently it was a loved one of mine who had been brutally murdered

DollopOfFun · 22/10/2024 13:54

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:52

He tried to get his pension!

How many billions did he get for that?

FeelTheRush · 22/10/2024 13:54

Lol at 11 billion!!!! 😂

That math is not mathing

No33 · 22/10/2024 13:54

How much would the death sentence have cost?

SallyForf · 22/10/2024 13:53

PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:52

He tried to get his pension!

And?

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PassingStranger · 22/10/2024 13:52

He tried to get his pension!

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AffIt · 22/10/2024 13:50

Because state-sanctioned murder is wrong.

It has always been wrong and it will always be wrong and I don't care how much we have to spend to uphold that basic principle.

MorrisZapp · 22/10/2024 13:50

'cossetted' oh dear

ReadWithScepticism · 22/10/2024 13:50

That should be £11 million, not £11 billion!!!. And that is in 'today's money', Not the actual cost, apparently.

The money is part of the investment into the prison system, which we all need and benefit from. We would all benefit more if more was invested, so that prison actually stood a chance of rehabilitating people.

In Sutcliffe's case there was of course an additional cost element arising from his being mentally ill. Everyone in prison is entitled to have adequate health care.

And the funeral costs? Who would begrudge that. A tiny additional expense compared to the whole cost of his incarcerated life - and presumably a lot of the expense related to security and coralling the press. It isn't as if he himself benefitted.