The Yorkshire Ripper question?

There's been murders every week for centuries, have you ever read a book or watched a documentary? We just have more ways of reporting them now.

It's quite clear that I was meaning if another country "wanted" them, hence my comment about it being worth paying a few million per person to the other country to take them. I wasn't considering forcing another country to take them against that country's will - after all, they simply wouldn't allow admittance at their border control.

Yes, it was your mistake. 11bn is such a huge sum that it was blindingly obvious that it was wrong. If you chose not to engage your brain, that's your fault.

If something sounds implausible, then I think you have a responsibility to re-read it to double check before posting a load of shite on a public forum.

There will be plenty of people who only read the OP and take what it says as gospel, who will now go and repeat that bullshit to other people they know. That's one of the ways disinformation gets spread - by people not engaging their brain.

Don’t call him “The Yorkshire Ripper”, that’s a press given nickname that affords him the notoriety his kind crave. Refer to him as PS if you have to, but he deserves no such recognition of a “celebrity” name.

I highly recommend listening to the Crime Analyst podcast which did an excellent deep dive into the case and the misogyny and incompetence shown by the police, whilst also being sympathetic and respectful to the victims.

Execution is more expensive than life imprisonment.

And Harold Shipman.

@taxguru Um, if we did want to pretend this post was genuine for a second - sexually sadistic murderers will not just pack up and start a new happy wholesome life.

They will continue to commit crimes. Sending them elsewhere just provides them with more vulnerable and easily exploitable victims.

Or do Rwandan murder victims not matter so much?

I read it as 11 billion so not my mistake.

er it literally IS your mistake.

I mean, if we’re counting mistakes…

11 billion is one thousand times 11 million, so it’s pretty significant
And you don’t care if he was hanged. Death by hanging means people are hanged, not hung.

So the first post is struggling with both maths and grammar - perhaps ethics is a subject too far?

What on earth are you talking about? We do still have whole-life terms for murder.

They have always been used only for the most serious cases, but these days they appear to be given out more frequently that they used to be (by judges rather than ministers).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prisoners_with_whole_life_orders

Have you ever considered sense checking a 'fact' before repeating it?

I don't believe that state murdering people is the answer to anything

@taxguru why should Rwanda or anywhere else be subjected to 'our monsters' their citizen's lives are no less meaningful than ours.

Who tragically died very soon after his release.

Oh good. You accept that people make mistakes. You must therefore accept that if the death penalty is brought back, that innocent people will be murdered by the state. But that's OK, just focus on the times they didn't make a mistake!

Getting my pension was quite easy. Much easier than getting a bus pass. Don't suppose Sutcluffe tried that.

( I was a student in W Yorks during the time he was killing. I was terrified. I'm still totally against the death penalty)

I think the fact their is such violence in society. Pedophilia, rapes and murders. This shows that society is far from civilised. As much as we like to think of ourselves that way

pension is for every person over the pension age. Even rich people if they have paid enough NI Contributions.

Question is, do you think a super rich person (think Alan Sugar) is more worthy of getting a pension than a serial killer?

Bearing in mind that theres probably some loophole that people in prison get NI Credits so as not to impact their ability to amass contributions.

(I've no idea if Alan Sugar has paid NI, my point was is a rich person worthy of it vs a killer)

Unfortunately the decent policeman - Andy Laptew - who tried to draw attention to Sutcliffe and the shortcomings of the investigation and was silenced at every turn - died from cancer a couple of years ago.

They decided that all the women were "only prostitutes." Some were, some weren't. All lives are worth something, but apparently not theirs.

They also took no account of people's different circumstances or anything.

We do have occasional whole life tarrifs for some crimes. The reality is that we don’t have the capacity to keep all murderers in prison for their entire lives and the prisoner will be on a lifetime risk of recall if they offend or cause concern of reoffending after their release on licence.

Many murderers will not pose a risk to the public after a long prison term and some can be rehabilitated safely. Not all.

And apparently their lives weren’t worth anything. It was a disgrace.

If the justice system was perfect. Then, I don't think I would be completely against the death penalty. We're talking child murderers and rapists here.

I believe a person is paying for their crimes, and the heartache caused to the families of the victims. I would be interested to see the viewpoint of a family member who had lost someone to a 1st degree crime. As, I believe their input should be considered first and foremost.

Of course, prehaps then, the argument isn't objective and too fueled by emotion.

It's an interesting debate.

But if someone, godforbid, did something to my children, I would kill them myself.

A zillion squillion. I read it on the internet so it must be true.