The Yorkshire Ripper question?

It's the usual cavalier attitude on mumsnet!

Nobody here would be able to work on a death row style setting. Prison is no joke. There's no staff and no resources for this fantasy

@oakleffy no, no he shouldn't be in gen pop in prison

Do you have no thought or care for us staff who would get injured constantly going in to break up fights?? No...thought not

That poster is kind of right.

E.g. rapists whose DNA is found in/on their victim don't usually dispute having had sex with the victim - they usually base their defence on the question of consent.

Similarly, DNA at murder scene just proves someone was there at some point. It doesn't necessarily prove they committed, or even witnessed, the murder. They could have been there half an hour before.

It's very naive to think that the presence of DNA = case closed, and if our police thought like that there would be even more unsafe convictions.

Even supposing I agreed PS should have been executed (which I don’t), you can’t instate the death penalty for one person. It has to be for all. And then what happens when the inevitable miscarriage of justice happens? What happens when it’s your loved one, who is on the wrong end of it.

And as it goes, miscarriages of Justice WRT the death penalty don’t just mean one person dies unjustly- which is bad enough. It means that real killers go free- because nobody in law enforcement, prosecutors offices, or the judiciary ever wants to admit that they got the death penalty wrong. So cases don’t get reopened, or evidence gets suppressed, and real criminals go free- and do kill again.

It’s really not the answer at all, to anything.

Someone like Chris Watts (USA) should have general population in prison allowed access.

He shouldn’t just be allowed to correspond with ridiculous women who find a family annihilator “ sexy”.

erm hi there
I never said it was true, I was merely pointed out that the reporting said 11 billion when you (not YOU but the thread) were savaging the op about that.
I didn't believe it, I just read it earlier and rolled my eyes then pointed it out that the daily fail said it
That was my contribution to the thread.

I was a very young woman when Sutcliffe was murdering women and I remember a friend being offered a place at Leeds Uni and turning it down because he was killing women there. We all had a fear that he would turn up in any city, in effect he curfewed women and girls and of course men were free to just live their lives. I also remember the anger so many felt when he killed a female who was not working as a prostitute "The Ripper's first innocent victim" was one of the headlines!! as if ANY woman deserves to be beaten and slashed to death. It is now believed that he attacked many more than are included in the "official" count, it is shocking what a man who truly hates women is capable of.

Well if we're going to start listing factual inaccuracies in the DM, we'll be here all day. Have you seen the quality of online journalism these days?

Because I like hill walking, 'the algorithm' shows me lots of 'top 10 walks in the UK' type features and, against my better judgement, I read one the other day.

It was clear that it had been cobbled together by someone who'd never left an urban area and just spent a few minutes googling 'nice hill walks we can publish in the hope we get some clicks and someone accidentally clicks on an advert and buys something so we might get paid for this shit we produce'.

Every walk was accompanied by a stated 'alliteration' and a random number of metres. It was only when I realised that alliteration should have been elevation? that I worked out they also thought they were saying how high the hill was or perhaps how much climbing there was in the walk. And every single one was wrong. Mixing feet and metres was common. There was an apparent claim there is a near 600 metre peak in the middle of Regent's Park (yes, the one in London).

Just because it's in the Daily Mail, or most other online websites, doesn't mean it's true.

I understand that, but I guess what I'm asking is - what satisfaction would there be in their death, when the alternative is that they have to spend the rest of their life in prison, which is a worse punishment? How is it "better" justice or vengeance for them to die?

Still wouldnt care if he had been hung. I wont be the only one to think that either

The fact that you are not the only one to think that op is exactly why we need an effective, well-resourced justice system that metes out verdicts based on objective facts and not feelings. I can only pray that Starmer will try and allocate a larger slice of the funding pie to our legal system in the next budget.

Execution should never be used imo.

I presume op that you'd be willing to carry out the execution as you're so in favour of it?

Even if I thought state-sanctioned murder wasn't wrong, the large number of wrongful convictions that have been overturned (Guildford 4, Birmingham 6, Maguire 7, M25 murderers, Stefan Kiszko, Judith Ward, Winston Silcott, Carl Bridgewater murderers, Barry George, to name but a few) show what a dreadful thing it would be to execute people.

Every one of the above, and many more, would have been wrongly killed.

People can be compensated for wrongful convictions, but not for wrongful executions. And if killing people is wrong, it's wrong for governments to do it imo.

Great, daily fail getting clicks via this thread now :(

Surely the point of a life sentence is the punishment inflicted by denying them a normal existence of freedom, choice, family life, social interaction, autonomy, etc. If you apply the death sentence then that part of the punishment is negated.

"Baying for blood" is a figure of speech. As an idiom, it's listed in most dictionaries. It's not meant to be taken literally. It means wanting punishment - in this case the punishment we were discussing, execution.

The state should never be able to take a life. Corruption is almost always guaranteed and a life once taken cannot be restored.

Whether that be the death penalty or assisted dying.

click at your peril as its the daily mail online but ermagad, they said 11 billion ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13986235/urse-broadmoor-peter-sutcliffe-frightened-eyes-life.html www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-13986235/urse-broadmoor-peter-sutcliffe-frightened-eyes-life.html]]]]

Proves nothing? That just isn't true. There are so many cases where the DNA evidence is the clincher.

Of course you can have cases where the presence of some DNA doesn't mean anything, like a roommate's DNA being on a murder weapon, because the weapon was a kitchen knife that the roommate used to cook. But DNA has been invaluable in catching countless murderers.

But you don't get "blood" - modern executions would be done as quickly and humanely as possible, not medieval-style in the town square. Unless people who want the death penalty actually mean they want people to be publicly tortured to death?

Yes! I was thinking that too

The OPs posts are peppered with stuff that simply isn’t true. It’s distracting because people have to correct the bullshit.

It's almost like the daily mail in human form...

Oh look, yet more horse shit. There are prisoners in the UK currently serving "whole" life sentences. Some of the more recently convicted that I'm sure people will recognise include Wayne Couzens and Lucy Letby.

As for your other word-bollocks, in the time since Sutcliffe was caught, violent crime has gone down by something like 90%. There are other reasons why we seem to hear about them more often, I'm sure if you really strain your mind you can think of one or two.