The Yorkshire Ripper question?

Oh noes! What a terrible crime! It makes all those murders pale into insignificance. He should obviously have been hanged for that.

£343,000 a year.
The average cost for a prisoner is around 32k -40k per year, rising to around 80k a year for a young offender.

i guess a more specialist setting such as broadmoor costs more.🤷‍♀️. Google suggests 300k a year average per prisoner. Better staff ratio??

Ok, ignoring those examples - why is death (and therefore the ending of all knowledge and suffering) a worse punishment than lifetime imprisonment? If we're looking at this from the perspective of wanting egregious criminals to receive the maximum punishment.

I heard that it was eleventy billion. But that includes his four annual holidays, his private chef, his valet and his flat screen TV. And his gender reassignment surgery. Which he got, as do all prisoners, funded by the tax payers.

Where did you read that please?

https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/criminal-law/miscarriage-of-justice-case-sally-clark.php

Read this and tell me that we merrily execute when there is "no doubt"
Bit wordier and complex than the Daily Mail but somewhat more intelligent

Well I'm not in favour of the death penalty so 🤷‍♀️

I wonder what the cost is of execution of the innocent ? Can that be measured in monetary terms?

Hanged. People get hanged. Clothes, pictures and mirrors get hung.

Of all the arguments for the death penalty,the cost of flifelong incarceration is the weakest.

Food, utilities, prison worker salaries, psychologists (I know for a fact he had regular access), nursing care, etc etc etc.

I used to live in the area, and at one stage my dad was interviewed by the police as a possible suspect. At that stage they were looking for a man who spoke with a Geordie accent, who was a red head. (And other criteria which I'm not going to post as they would truly be too identifying). Every single one of those described my dad. Who couldn't prove he wasn't in the area of any of the murders on those specific dates.

So potentially he could have been arrested and hung. Even though he was innocent.

How would you feel about that @PassingStranger if it had been your dad, or partner or husband, or brother?

This 👏👏👏
Fucking disgusting it was

The problem is that every miscarriage of justice is a case where there was no doubt about their crimes - until there was. But beyond that, I cannot sanction a state that says killing is wrong and then goes on to kill. There are no good reasons for killing.

Timothy Evans - just one name to demonstrate why we should never bring back the death penalty.

One reason most civilised societies abolished the death penalty is to uphold that the most important thing for us all is our lives. Miscarriage of justice happens, sometimes it takes years before new scientific techniques or better understanding clues, catch up with murder sentences that could make an innocent person being executed.

The first right to human life is life itself. Nothing on this earth could excuse executing one single innocent life by the state.

Sorry OP, that’s your fault too. The whole basis of this thread was to discuss the £11billion million cost to the taxpayer.

Do you now think £11 million is too much? Or are we just having a froth?

Things have got ‘softer’. There is no longer a debtors prison and we don’t criminalise men for being gay any more either. We no longer burn witches at the stake.

Very many of us like living in a society that values human life and protects it. I’m glad we’re not like the taliban and some American states in our attitudes to crime and punishment.

Anyway sorry for my personal attack on your character and comprehension. That was rude and mean

How have they come to 11 million?

In the UK they state a single persons level of income for a 'acceptable' living is £29,500 (bare in mind many people do live below this too).

That is a free person who buys the food they want, pays their own bills, rent/mortgage, own clothing and 'luxury' items (phones, internet, holidays, games consoles, music/arts etc...), has subscriptions, runs a car or pays for travel, has social days/events etc...

How can a person who lives a limited life in 1 room of a mass housing building, on pre-set micro budgeted meals, no luxury add on or associated 'fun' living costs cost over £344,000 per year?

I mean if you take running costs for a whole prison wing including electric, food and multiple salaried staffing (which is economically creating jobs) yes but he is just ONE prisoner. Even with staffing the staff costs aren't soley his.

The ministry of Justice reports the cost to keep a prisoner in their system is £32,716 annually at the moment. That makes it barely over 1 million for 32 years of incarceration and the cost are based on current inflation, they would be less in the past.

I don't think people should be so quick to accept 'shock' news paper articles as utter fact.

Do you mean in the National Portrait Gallery?

I work in a prison and I have cut down many men trying to ligature.... there is NO WAY I would work somewhere where in another room we are killing prisoners

I don't think many serving staff would....and there is virtually NO staff. We save lives daily

So good luck with your recruitment drive!!

There is pretty much always scope for miscarriage of justice, however small. Even with DNA, CCTV, a confession.

I accept some cases it's very unlikely (e.g. a public terrorist killing with several unconnected witnesses) but it's not really about the individual crime or how disturbing it is.

Apologies for not reading the whole thread, but if Peter Sutcliffe had never been caught, had never been convicted, and had never been imprisoned we wouldn't have spent any less money on our prison service, on the court system, or on the police.

It's a meaningless sum of money

If execution is the fate of the murderer, what should the fate of the executioner be? Is murder not murder if sanctioned by the state and those who are sane?

A traitor used to be hung, drawn and quartered. "Witches" were burnt at the stake, as were Protestants and Catholics. As a society we became more civilised. I have no wish to go backwards.

Peter Sutcliff was evil and mentally ill. He was locked up for the rest of his life. Rightly so.

Did Lucy Letby do it?
Did Jeremy Bamber do it?

Do we execute the executioner because they have committed a "murder"? Does it go on into perpetuity until there are none. What would happen to those who refused as we run out of volunteers?