The Yorkshire Ripper question?

He was caught next to my school. We were 15/16.

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Rather than wasting money keeping monsters like Sutcliffe alive we should just execute them on the same day that they are found guilty.

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Peter Sutcliffe, the man who horrifically murdered thirteen women (he should not be referred to as some mythical name) did not cost the tax payer billions of pounds

millions, yes it’s very costly to keep people in high secure hospitals and prison but the alternative to have the death penalty is also very costly (the appeal system itself would increase costs and there are plenty of ruthless lawyers who would absolutely work the system) and is state sanctioned murder one any civilised country should consider the death penalty as a punishment

This. It's not about Sutcliffe, it's about the many innocent people who would be killed in error and it's about our humanity.

Death row is also I believe phenomenally more expensive than standard prison. Plus they kind of still end up dead so need a funeral.

Crikey, surprised to see this one back again.

Didn't you check the date on it before responding?

What on earth were you looking for @letmehaveathink that brought you to a thread that’s almost a year old?

It does cost a lot of money because in general if you are going to inflict the death penalty on someone you need to be really sure they did it and were of sound mind when they did.

And to do that usually takes multiple trials and appeals, with expensive lawyers being used in every one.

Whether it would cost £11 million per person or not is harder to establish, but I would guess it would cost at the minimum millions.

No, I would have given him a lethal injection, job done. People always trot out the old trope that killing people costs a lot of money - no it doesn't have to at all. Look at all the cases where rogue doctors have killed people for no money at all. That £11 million could have been spent on more police, housing for veterans, anything but this waste of space.

If we weren't wasting millions keeping monsters like him in prison there'd be a lot more funding available to pore into our Police forces which would give a better chance of more thorough investigations being done.
If he'd murdered one of my family members I'd happily have flicked the switch to the chair or given the fatal injection.

Richard McCann is the son of Wilma McCann one of the victims. He endured a painful childhood as a result.

As a young adult his future was bleak but he found the strength to turn his life around. His sister sadly succumbed and committed suicide.

Richard is a lovely man and is now an author and motivational speaker.

He has respectfully requested that the media do not use the term 'The Yorkshire Ripper' and use Peter Sutcliffe, the killers name.

It's distressing for the family members of the victims to read or hear the word Ripper with regards to their loved one.

Please don't add to the sensationalism and would you kindly ask for the thread title to be changed.

Thank you.

Please listen to Richard McCann -

Let me take a wild guess what the source is…

10 million divided by 32 divided by 12 divided by 365 works out to 71 pounds a day. Bed and three meals, heating, medical expenses and possibly councillors. Cheap at half the price to keep him locked up. No price on freedom.

I think the argument about the cost of prison is a good one to have, as is what we see the point of prison to be (rehabilitation? Punishment? Security for the public? All/a combination of these?). I would argue that different crimes should have different types of prison- someone like Sutcliffe, or men who murder their partners and/or children, sadistic torturers, sex offenders- should absolutely be away for punishment and public safety because as far as I know, those people are almost impossible to rehabilitate. We should throw away the key for them.

OTOH, someone who’s had the rough end of the stick all their life and has sort of wandered into crime might well be able to turn things around with the right support and education. Those people often bounce in and out of prison and never manage to go straight or be productive in society, but they might if the system were better, and that would save a lot of money.

Does anyone else know what I mean? Some people are truly evil and some are not. Perhaps we should have different facilities for them because the aim of their prison time would be different.

I don’t agree with the death penalty at all, for reasons given upthread.

If ever anything made it clear you know nothing about the law, that does.

How about the cost of multiple appeals?

We "let the system release offenders" in the same way you do. Are you stopping it? No. Because whether or not we believe in the DP, neither of us has the power as individuals to change the system.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on either side of the argument who thinks we should just release violent offenders and send them on their merry way to reoffend.

Don't be ridiculous. That will never happen.

I think juries will be replaced by AI before long. Maybe judges too. It will make justice swifter and more cost efficient.

@PassingStranger

Yeah....and you'd be happy for your kids to see those images all over the media....showing them what the government ,their government they live under,is capable of??

What a constructive response. How would have given a shit if it turned out he wasn't the murderer?

Did he get it?

Where did you find these figures, can you forward a link?

I agree. That last point particularly rings true with the likes of Ian Brady, mentioned a fair bit on this thread. ‘King Ian’ as Emlyn Hughes puts it in his book about the murders. No way would he have been deterred by the DP.