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Inheritance tax in anti-Labour

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iphi48h · 22/10/2024 11:19

In expectation of the budget it got me thinking - why isnt Labour aiming to tax those who have trusts and are substantial asset rich rather than grandparents who live in London and are cash poor but own their hose. Is it because it's easier or because they dont actually want to tax those who really are asset rich?

Most of my friends whose parents were working class or lower middle class barely have any savings but do have a house in London (we all live in London). Most of my friends whose parents were always middle class have multiple pots of savings, properties and very good accountant - so they will never pay the inheritance tax.

We all live in London and unless you have help from your parents - it's very hard to buy a property. I think a lot of my friends do expect some inheritance from their parents to pass to the grandkids to help them buy a house. But the difference is that those who have always been middle class will be able to do that, those who basically dont have clever accountants and family experience of managing wealth will be taxed. Is that fair? Are we basically taxing people without clever accountants? Why not go for the trusts and clever financial schemes if you want the true middle and upper classes as well as large funds to pay up.

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Another2Cats · 22/10/2024 11:40

"It basically means Labour are accelerated the financial asset stripping of the lower middle classes whilst leaving the rich standing."

Even without doing any planning at all, a married couple can leave up to £1 million free of inheritance tax (IHT) to their children.

If you think that the "lower middle classes" are leaving estates worth over £1 million then I think that you might be living in a bit of a bubble.
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"Most of my friends whose parents were always middle class have multiple pots of savings, properties and very good accountant - so they will never pay the inheritance tax."

You're mistaken.
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"Why not go for the trusts and clever financial schemes if you want the true middle and upper classes as well as large funds to pay up."

Trusts (with some exceptions) are already required to pay 6% tax every ten years and there are additional charges on trusts as well.

The "clever financial schemes", as you call them, include things such as being a farmer or owning a family business. There have been hints that these exceptions may be curtailed in the budget.

SometimesCalmPerson · 22/10/2024 11:37

It is possible to be asset rich through a trust and still be cash poor. And trusts are taxed.

iphi48h · 22/10/2024 11:37

I also do think that having 1 million pound makes you rich. But the assumption is that labour will get rid of that clause and tax on 500k. Which doesnt make you rich but in London means you have a 3 bed house in a pretty shitty area that certainly doesnt make you middle class. My point is that Labour should make much more effort to tax people who are asset rich at say 2million mark and trusts/investors who are 2million and above. We dont tax the true rich enough

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iphi48h · 22/10/2024 11:35

I know of at least four people who definitely pay tax but their parents have put their wealth in trusts. All my friends pay regular taxes - the point is their parents have essentially ensured they never pay inheritance tax.

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Birdscratch · 22/10/2024 11:34

You need to look at your definitions if you think owning a home, mortgage free, that’s worth over £1million doesn’t make you ‘rich.’

KnittedCardi · 22/10/2024 11:30

I don't know anyone who has an accountant and all my group are six figure upper middle class folk. We all do our own tax returns as PAYE.

I think the truly wealthy have accountants. But they aren't earning on PAYE. Most "working people" yes, Labour, they are working, still pay tax through PAYE, even on salaries above £100k.

iphi48h · 22/10/2024 11:25

Yes, but as a result they are essentially only going after lower middle classes who didnt figure out to get an accountant. Effectively, it means they are pushing the working classes/lower middle classes who havent figured out how to manage their finances back to being poor - whilst the middle classes soldier on. All of my truly middle class friends have family accountants not just personal ones - i.e. those are the people who have always had someone else managing their finances. It basically means Labour are accelerated the financial asset stripping of the lower middle classes whilst leaving the rich standing.

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ByMerryKoala · 22/10/2024 11:23

They're rich enough to generate significant wealth for the treasury and not mobile enough to up sticks and fuck off in protest.

Birdscratch · 22/10/2024 11:22

Owning a home is being asset rich.