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Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

487 replies

pinkgown · 22/10/2024 02:58

Obviously we don't have the whole story, but would you be tempted to do this, to take revenge on the OW on your mother's behalf? I think I might, if I felt my mother and my family had been torn apart by her actions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

A mugshot of Eleanor Brown - a woman in her early twenties with dark shoulder length hair and blue eyes.

Eleanor Brown jailed for sharing naked photos of father's lover

Eleanor Brown posted the woman's photos on an escort site as an "act of revenge", a court hears.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj9j9lpgjxlo

OP posts:
Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:31

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:30

In this case the father is.

No. We don't blame sexual crimes on anyone other than they perpetrator.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:30

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:24

Nobody is ever the "root cause" of revenge porn and harassment.

In this case the father is.

PippaKing · 22/10/2024 11:30

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:27

So the daughter should have hollered at the father and left it at that.

You are just being deliberately dense

InterIgnis · 22/10/2024 11:27

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:23

Did I say it was. I was responding to the poster who was saying a man wasn’t the root cause of this. The father absolutely is.

But then what’s the root cause of the father’s behavior?

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:27

So the daughter should have hollered at the father and left it at that.

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:24

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:23

Did I say it was. I was responding to the poster who was saying a man wasn’t the root cause of this. The father absolutely is.

Nobody is ever the "root cause" of revenge porn and harassment.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:23

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:21

But revenge porn isn't the way to deal with it. We aren't animals, we don't live in the wild west with no rule of law. We are supposed to live in a civilised society. If we think that this action is OK where do we stop? Do we beat up other people, or order their murder? Hopefully most of us don't.

Did I say it was. I was responding to the poster who was saying a man wasn’t the root cause of this. The father absolutely is.

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:22

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:19

Of course, but some adults get damaged along the way and aren’t able to act in a reasonable and proportionate way, due to trauma inflicted - in this case by a man, their father.

Revenge porn isn't reasonable or proportionate though. Ever. Nor is harassing the ows innocent daughter. Reasonable and proportionate would be something more like shouting at her 12 years ago. And leaving the cheating loser husband.

Orphlids · 22/10/2024 11:22

My father’s OW is a marriage counsellor! 😂 I occasionally allow myself a little fantasy about trolling her social media, letting all potential clients know about all the disgusting things she has done. She did some really horrible stuff, in league with my father, specifically to hurt my DM. She obviously derives pleasure from the suffering of others.

I agree with a the PP who said it’s often too difficult for a child to hate the parent who has had the affair, and so all animosity it focused on the affair partner. I think it’s a bit unfair to simplify things to such an extent that we say she should have placed the blame solely with her father. It’s such a complex situation.

In my case, I have gone NC with my father, but we never had a good relationship anyway, so I didn’t feel like I lost much.

InterIgnis · 22/10/2024 11:22

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:19

Of course, but some adults get damaged along the way and aren’t able to act in a reasonable and proportionate way, due to trauma inflicted - in this case by a man, their father.

Or perhaps she was a shit person this whole time. Shitty people get cheated on too 🤷🏻‍♀️

As a grown woman capable of plotting a ‘revenge’ over a period of time, she is responsible for her actions. Unless she was psychotic, she was absolutely capability of understanding right from wrong, or at least illegal from legal, and acting accordingly.

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:21

But revenge porn isn't the way to deal with it. We aren't animals, we don't live in the wild west with no rule of law. We are supposed to live in a civilised society. If we think that this action is OK where do we stop? Do we beat up other people, or order their murder? Hopefully most of us don't.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:19

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:08

Grown adults are always responsible for their own behaviour.

Of course, but some adults get damaged along the way and aren’t able to act in a reasonable and proportionate way, due to trauma inflicted - in this case by a man, their father.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:17

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:11

The root cause of the behaviour of the females is their own mistaken belief that they needed revenge rather than therapy. Which makes me wonder what other plots they would come up with if they felt revenge was called for.

The root cause being the trauma inflicted by the father, that has had dire consequences on both daughters, but he gets to keep the marriage and is apparently in no way to blame for the eventual outcome.

BetterInColour · 22/10/2024 11:15

I do agree with everyone though that the sentence is disproportionate, I'm not even sure it needed a prison sentence given what else doesn't attract one.

Lavenderblossoms · 22/10/2024 11:11

3 years is over kill. Should have been a fine, victim compensation and a suspended sentence. I think this is over the top.

ChateauMargaux · 22/10/2024 11:11

I think there are many male offences of rape, sexual assault and harassment, that go unpunished and that this woman has received a disproportionate punishment, given the judicial landscape of the UK.

NewGreenDuck · 22/10/2024 11:11

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:03

He hasn’t committed a criminal offence, but he is the root cause of the criminal behaviour of the female members of his family.

The root cause of the behaviour of the females is their own mistaken belief that they needed revenge rather than therapy. Which makes me wonder what other plots they would come up with if they felt revenge was called for.

womenarehuman · 22/10/2024 11:10

No, I wouldn't do this. For one thing, it exploits and thereby reinforces the structural and systemic marginalisation and exploitation of women as a group. The fact that you think you've been hurt doesn't give you the ethical right to hurt other individuals, let alone further damage a disadvantaged and vulnerable demographic.

(Also, therapy exists.)

Fluufer · 22/10/2024 11:08

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:03

He hasn’t committed a criminal offence, but he is the root cause of the criminal behaviour of the female members of his family.

Grown adults are always responsible for their own behaviour.

BetterInColour · 22/10/2024 11:06

I don't think anyone should 'just get over the heartache', if the dds and mothers felt so strongly he'd ruined their lives, the mum could have left him and never spoken to him again.

I think it's very difficult for children in these situations, because they are half genetically related to the cheater, the mum is not and so these plots of revenge are very destructive to the children psychologically. The OW is not their love rival and she's not the child/parent in this situation and it is wrong to drag the children into this, whether adult or not.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 11:03

ShinyShona · 22/10/2024 10:58

No he isn't. Being unfaithful is not a criminal offence. Posting nude photographs of someone online is. Most people who are betrayed don't commit these offences because they are not criminals. Eleanor Brown chose to be a criminal then showed no remorse, all of her own choosing.

He hasn’t committed a criminal offence, but he is the root cause of the criminal behaviour of the female members of his family.

ShinyShona · 22/10/2024 10:58

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 10:53

The father isn't mentioned because he didn't commit a criminal offence. I think we have to stop with this constant insistence that if a woman commits a criminal offence, there must be a man at the root cause of their behaviour. Women can and do commit criminal offences every day of their own volition.

A man is the root cause of this outcome. Don’t agree with the behaviour of any of the females in the family, but it would never have happened had he kept it in his trousers.
Again not condoning anyone’s behaviour, but betrayal can be devastating to some people with terrible long standing consequences, it’s not just a bit of heartache to get over and people need to understand this when start affairs.

No he isn't. Being unfaithful is not a criminal offence. Posting nude photographs of someone online is. Most people who are betrayed don't commit these offences because they are not criminals. Eleanor Brown chose to be a criminal then showed no remorse, all of her own choosing.

ShinyShona · 22/10/2024 10:56

Waterboatlass · 22/10/2024 10:43

I completely agree he didn't commit the offence or encourage Eleanor to do so as far as we know. However, he must have had some role in the images being seen by the family. Surely the OW didn't send them to the mother.

I think as part of this case, the parents should have been held accountable (I'm not sure on what legal grounds before you correctly ask, just in my ideal world) regarding how a child at the time came into contact with those images.

I think my wider point is that yes, Eleanor Brown is very much responsible for her actions. However there seems a very odd family dynamic in which she has been the one (because she isn't a police officer?) heavily encouraged to continue the harassment of the OW all these years later. She posted those photos but she didn't act alone. The root cause is her father's behaviour (and her mother's reaction), and their bad handling thereof. Not saying that is a judicial matter but it doesn't seem entirely fair if he hasn't intervened sooner to try and stop this getting out of hand.

I hear what you're saying but I very much doubt he shared those photos with the family willingly. My hunch is that it was probably another offence, that of hacking his phone or other personal device. Given the kind of access one of his daughters might potentially have had to his electronic records does make me feel a little uneasy to say the least. For this reason, I'm not sure who got hold of the photographs so whether the parents were responsible is not entirely clear.

I do agree that it does look likely that there was some degree of coercion of Eleanor Brown probably by her mother or possibly her sister. As the only person who was not a police officer, on the one hand she lacked the risk of a disciplinary but on the other hand she probably had less means of getting hold of the photographs. I would certainly like the police force that the sister worked at to check their own records to see whether the data on the father's phone ever came into their possession and if so how and why.

Bluenoodles · 22/10/2024 10:53

The father isn't mentioned because he didn't commit a criminal offence. I think we have to stop with this constant insistence that if a woman commits a criminal offence, there must be a man at the root cause of their behaviour. Women can and do commit criminal offences every day of their own volition.

A man is the root cause of this outcome. Don’t agree with the behaviour of any of the females in the family, but it would never have happened had he kept it in his trousers.
Again not condoning anyone’s behaviour, but betrayal can be devastating to some people with terrible long standing consequences, it’s not just a bit of heartache to get over and people need to understand this when start affairs.

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 22/10/2024 10:52

Of course she isn't going to show remorse to the OW. She's hardly going to say "sorry" to the woman who, cheating on her own husband, shagged her dad in an affair that broke up her family which left her traumatised as a teenager. She obviously shouldn't have done what she did though as ultimately it's her dad who broke the vows to her mum who is responsible for the family collapse that she should have aimed her ire at.