Is this revenge on the OW fair or not?

Sentence like this is wholly deserved for anyone publishing revenge porn. Her excuse was pathetic - unresolved trauma from her father having an affair 22 years ago? Come on, this was malice, pure and simple. Same as any man doing it to his ex.

As for those saying sentence is excessive in comparison for rape/sex offences, yes it is much higher but that is indicative of those sentences being unduly lenient not this one being excessive.

I do think an example has to be made on this sort of crime - it's just too easy for people to do it, even in a moment of temporary madness or upset. This woman also made a special effort to make it as humiliating as possible - she didn't just publish them but set up a communications directing callers to the OW's poor husband. I don't buy the suggestion she didn't know it was criminal to do this -I do think her sister may have thought she could help her avoid serious charges.

The dad who had the affair is a prick - clearly no censure for him - poor helpless guy passively seduced by home-wrecking man-eater??

The OW was as dumb as shit to give her lover intimate photos/allow him to take them. I simply do not understand people putting themselves in the position where they could be blackmailed or humiliated by this. At the end of the day even if you are in a rock solid relationship there is a risk with these pics, you don't know what may happen, things could go sour or they could be viewed accidentally. She still doesn't deserve this treatment, no-one does, definitely not her husband.

A pp posted this link. The same judge said about a man who thought he was sexting a 13 yr old 'Judge Menary said that the best way to protect the public from someone like Walker, who had yet to accept that he had a sexual interest in children, was through rehabilitation work with the probation service. "You are a man who was of previous good character until this time," said Judge Menary.
If a short prison sentence were imposed, there would be insufficient time in custody to complete any rehabilitation.'

The same judge giving a paedophile rehab and a slap on the wrist yet this woman <also of previous good character> 2yrs plus.

It does not make sense. I know who I think the biggest risk is..

It seems almost all of them were police officers at some point, not just the sister (the mother, the father, and the OW).

I will say that I do have some sympathy for EB - very young, very immature, and from the little that has been reported, dragged into the sordid mess of her father's affair by adults who should have known better. Some adults actively bring their children into situations like this and expect them to take sides/protect them, which includes nurturing and encouraging a hatred of the OW. Add to that smartphones, social media, and the fact that taking pornographic images of yourself and sharing them has become normalised, and this is the mess you get.
It's notable that the mother and sister got EB to do the dirty work and have left her paying the price for it. They must have known she was crossing the line.

She wanted to hurt the OW and she succeeded. Yes the sentence does seem long, especially given that it seems that sharing indecent images of children gets you nothing more than a smack on the wrist, but putting all emotion aside, it was revenge porn and harrassment.

Sure, but that clearly isn’t what is being considered here regarding ‘root causes’, they’re being invoked as a way to justify the actions taken, and to lessen the responsibility of the person actually convicted (and her cheerleaders) in favor of placing it on the man and the OW. Why does looking for the ‘root cause’ stop at the affair? What was the roots cause of the affair? What was the family dynamic? What shaped the personalities of the individuals within that family? How far back do we go down the line?

It really isn’t that complex as a case. Three dumb fucks conspired to break the law by embarking on a campaign of harassment and one of them got convicted. There’s no question of diminished responsibility here, or an inability to comprehend right from wrong.

For sharing nudes of other people? Community hours? A fine? Would you be satisfied with that were you the victim

And the victim isn’t just the OW in this case, it’s her husband and family as well.

Exactly.

Poor men, getting stolen from their wives and dragged into bed by the other woman. #JusticeForHusbands

I know a woman, who found out her dad was having an affair cheating on her mum, and tracked the OW down, attacked her in the street and busted her nose. Don’t think she attacked her own dad though 🤷🏼‍♀️

For sharing nudes of other people? Community hours? A fine? Would you be satisfied with that were you the victim? I know I wouldn't.
And paedos should be locked up even longer. Neither should be getting off easy.

She did more than that not sure why some are choosing to ignore it..

In August 2022, Brown posted derogatory and abusive messages about the woman on an online profile promoting the victim's husband's business.
When this did not provoke the "reaction she wanted", she then set up a profile of the woman on an escort site alongside her husband's phone number, the court heard.
The hearing was told the victim's husband was bombarded with eight phone calls and 13 texts within half an hour of the advert being posted.

She also sent abusive messages to the woman’s daughter.

She could have stopped at the first instance and chose not to because she didn’t get the reactions she felt was owed to her.

She posted nude photos without consent onto an escort site opening the woman up to possible stalking, SA, and worse. Such things do happen where men have gone after women on such sites. If she can do that to a woman over something that happened years ago, she likely has no issue doing it to someone else unless she is punished for it.

@KnittyNell
I think someone who has been cheated on should hold the person who actually made vows to them accountable. From the OWs perspective, it's never moral to start a relationship with someone who is committed to another person, but she didn't MAKE him do it. If it hadn't been her it would likely be someone else. He's the one responsible. She can be held accountable by her own partner if she has one.

Often on MNet and in real life, there's more vitriol for the OW than there is for the man.

Community hours, a fine.

Have you seen the news recently, they are releasing prisoners early as the prisons are overfull. What does locking up this woman achieve when groomers and paedophiles are often given non custodial sentences.

I disagree. This sentence was just. The girl not only posted nudes, she publicly advertised her naked as a prostitute, and then added her personal phone number for clients.

she showed no remorse at the trial, and even took the step of holding to a not guilty plea just to make the woman testify so she was further humiliated, then changed it,

its warped phsycological abuse and cruelty. 3 years was right.

There is not a person alive who hasn't or won't experience some form of trauma. Trauma informed understanding of behaviour is not about excusing behaviour but about understanding it. We all still have to take responsibility for our own behaviour. Including this grown woman. Her parents separated because one of her parents met someone else - a long time ago. This has happened to lots of people. They don't all become sex offenders. Revenge porn is a sexual offence.

I don't think some of the more simplistic responses have much value tbh.

There was direct involvement from the sister and mother and the pictures sent were obtained somehow during the father's affair when Eleanor Brown was a teenager.

She's been jailed. She is to blame for her actions but as a case it's much more complex than that.

Criminal behaviour generally is much more complex than that. To ignore that and pretend there isn't usually a root cause doesn't prevent crime or recidivism or help with rehabilitation. It's not a mature or considered point.

Understanding root cause (including intergenerationally or environmentally) isn't about excusing shitty behaviour, it's a really important part of prevention connected with appropriate sentencing.

What on earth do you think is an appropriate punishment for sharing nude photos of unconsenting people then?

I fail to see why I am being dense. I am stating that the appropriate action in response to her father's infidelity would have been for the daughter to have given him a piece of her mind ie shouting at him. What she chose to do wasn't appropriate, in other words her actions were to post revenge porn and imply that the OW was an escort. How does that make me dense?

Exactly.

No one is suggesting it is ok to share nudes that ow have sent married men, the point is the time should match the crime and it absolutely does not here.

No he isn't. That's just an excuse. As I said, lots of people are betrayed but most don't do what Eleanor Brown did. Her criminal behaviour was almost certainly far more influenced by her mother and her sister than the behaviour of her father some years ago.

Trying to pin the blame for criminal behaviour on the father in this instance is - in my book - the same as trying to excuse a man for beating up his wife if she was unfaithful. "She was the reason for my actions." No she bloody well wasn't.

The inability of people to blame a woman's sex crime on the actual woman is ridiculous. She has committed a sex crime, she will probably be on a register when she is released. It is exactly the same as posting revenge porn and if a son had done it, there wouldn't be this squealing from people who seem equally crazy and unable to accept that as adults you take full responsibility for your actions.

To answer your question OP, no. Revenge like this is never fair. It's illegal for a very good reason.

What EB has done is horrendous and she has, quite rightly, been sentenced for it. She clearly isn't remorseful - she forced the OW and her husband to give evidence.

Yes the daughter's anger seems to be misdirected towards the OW rather than her father. It's ridiculous to compare an affair with illegal actions like this which have a horrendous effect on the victims. I would hate for my dh to have an affair but that would pale into insignificance to how I would feel if someone got hold of nude photos of me and sent them to websites/publicly circulated them.

I wonder whether the mum thinks her decision to involve her daughters was worth it, now one of them is in jail and the other has lost her career as a result.

And what’s the root cause of the father’s behavior? Or do we stop looking for root causes once we’ve found the person we want to blame? How convenient, if so.

I don't think she should have done that at all. Revenge porn is horrific - and the reason you should never ever send nudes with your face included.

She should have focused her anger on her cheating father who betrayed her, not the OW

I wonder if the victim will look to take civil action against them now to claim damages. I wouldn’t be surprised if she did.

He hasn’t committed a criminal offence, but he is the root cause of the criminal behaviour of the female members of his family.

I think that's a bit silly. If you're going to go down the route of an adult blaming someone else for their choices, why stop with the father? Why not find someone to blame for him having an affair - maybe his wife was mean?
That would be absurd of course, because him having an affair was his decision and no one made him do it. But I'd also apply that to his daughter and say that neither of them get to blame someone else for their actions.

The perpetrator is now in jail. The root cause being the father’s behaviour.